Style of overcalling I Michaels Q-bids
#1
Posted 2009-August-14, 06:01
What about frequency?
#2
Posted 2009-August-14, 06:17
But vulneralbe when it comits to the 3 level I am switching to intermediate or strong
#3
Posted 2009-August-14, 06:51
Our style is to bid aggressively opposite the Michaels, so that 'Michael' doesn't have to bid again unless he has significant extras.
I don't like a weak or very strong approach. The intermediate hands are very common and the most valuable hands to use the convention with.
#4
Posted 2009-August-14, 07:14
George Carlin
#5
Posted 2009-August-14, 07:15
MFA, on Aug 14 2009, 01:51 PM, said:
Our style is to bid aggressively opposite the Michaels, so that 'Michael' doesn't have to bid again unless he has significant extras.
I don't like a weak or very strong approach. The intermediate hands are very common and the most valuable hands to use the convention with.
Exactly the same style for me. I also play specific 2-suiters (using cue bid, 3♣ and 2NT).
Paul
#6
Posted 2009-August-14, 08:47
MFA, on Aug 14 2009, 07:51 AM, said:
Our style is to bid aggressively opposite the Michaels, so that 'Michael' doesn't have to bid again unless he has significant extras.
I don't like a weak or very strong approach. The intermediate hands are very common and the most valuable hands to use the convention with.
Agree. This, I believe is the modern style.
Playing 2N as an invitational hand and 3♣ as p/c is important in this style.
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#8
Posted 2009-August-14, 10:08
I thought weak was just below or barely opening ---lower was comic -- and intermediate meant a decent opening hand. In that context, weak or very strong works for me.
#9
Posted 2009-August-14, 11:19
Nominally we play this as 10+. However this varies a little by vulnerability. Something like KJTxx KJTxx would probably qualify at most vulnerabilities if we are not forcing to the three-level. Perhaps even a little ligher at favourable.
I strongly think it is wrong to bid Michaels with weak hands especially vulnerable where the reality is the hand almost always belongs to the opponents and we are just giving them information on how to play the hand.
I could be convinced that weak is ok at favourable.
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#10
Posted 2009-August-15, 07:31
When I have a weak hand, all my strength is concentrated in my suits. What is weak? I'll q bid 2C with QJxxx, QJxxx, xx, x. Perhaps this is not wise at unfavorable. Still do it though.
#11
Posted 2009-August-15, 21:27
♠7 ♥KT5 ♦A76 ♣KJT853
These hands are awkward for us if we have to pass and awkward for them if we bid. For instance, they always seem unsure about double.
Of course we have to bid 1♠ with 5-5 majors. We don't use the so-called "French Michaels" of 2♦ over 1♣ to show majors. That's another natural overcall we don't wish to forgo.
Sure, bidding 1♠ on 5-5s endangers the heart fit but losses have been rare -- can't recall any. Two boss suits usually equals a second chance.
However, we use (1♦) - 2♦ as Michaels. Simulations suggest that hands worth a natural 2♦ overcall are a bit too rare.
#12
Posted 2009-August-15, 21:43
There are many Michaels styles in all skill levels. I like this one because it seems to work.
#13
Posted 2009-August-15, 21:43
shevek, on Aug 16 2009, 03:27 PM, said:
♠7 ♥KT5 ♦A76 ♣KJT853
These hands are awkward for us if we have to pass and awkward for them if we bid. For instance, they always seem unsure about double.
Of course we have to bid 1♠ with 5-5 majors. We don't use the so-called "French Michaels" of 2♦ over 1♣ to show majors. That's another natural overcall we don't wish to forgo.
Sure, bidding 1♠ on 5-5s endangers the heart fit but losses have been rare -- can't recall any. Two boss suits usually equals a second chance.
However, we use (1♦) - 2♦ as Michaels. Simulations suggest that hands worth a natural 2♦ overcall are a bit too rare.
The losses will come most likely when it goes PASS PASS PASS.
The idea of 2♣ natural does cater to a problem hand. It is non-trivial to defend well against a short 1♣ since we have four suits and no trumps that we might want to play in.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#14
Posted 2009-August-16, 10:42
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I, too, like frequent AiW (Alice in Wonderland) style: it means just what I want it to mean when I bid it and not one thing more! (Which makes it extremely convenient to frequently assign blame to partner because if he doesn't guess right it is always his fault.)
#15
Posted 2009-August-16, 10:51
Winstonm, on Aug 16 2009, 11:42 AM, said:
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I, too, like frequent AiW (Alice in Wonderland) style: it means just what I want it to mean when I bid it and not one thing more! (Which makes it extremely convenient to frequently assign blame to partner because if he doesn't guess right it is always his fault.)
#16
Posted 2009-August-17, 03:59
Roland
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