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1♥ -- (pass) -- 2NT -- (4♠)
5♠ -- (pass) -- 7♥ -- all pass
Was South too pushy?
What types of hand could/should 5♠ be?
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Posted 2009-August-13, 05:41
1♥ -- (pass) -- 2NT -- (4♠)
5♠ -- (pass) -- 7♥ -- all pass
Was South too pushy?
What types of hand could/should 5♠ be?
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Posted 2009-August-13, 05:45
South wasn't too pushy: he can make a grand slam opposite a 12-count. However, I think he should make better use of the available space. 5♦-5♥-5♠ seems obvious.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 05:46
Well, 5♠ certainly shows first round control, typically a void. North knows it is a void, and has no business bidding 7H with a working 7-count.
South's 5♠ bid was on the aggressive side but not unreasonable.
South's 5♠ bid was on the aggressive side but not unreasonable.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 06:26
7H with no ace is lol
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Posted 2009-August-13, 06:39
North 112%.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 08:44
Whatever South intended 5♠ to mean, it did not promise all lower 1st round controls.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 09:24
gnasher, on Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM, said:
South wasn't too pushy: he can make a grand slam opposite a 12-count. However, I think he should make better use of the available space. 5♦-5♥-5♠ seems obvious.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
Agreed completely ! North's 7♥ is a roflmao to me. I'd expect 5♠ to have been exclusion. Jumping directly to 7♥ in response is extremely BAD.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 09:44
This auction mystifies me, but its symptomatic of newer players that get a superfit and a void in the opponents suit and overreact.
5♦ is clear.
7♥ is an abortion.
6N by north is so money here at MPs.
5♦ is clear.
7♥ is an abortion.
6N by north is so money here at MPs.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 10:12
Phil, on Aug 13 2009, 10:44 AM, said:
This auction mystifies me, but its symptomatic of newer players that get a superfit and a void in the opponents suit and overreact.
5♦ is clear.
7♥ is an abortion.
6N by north is so money here at MPs.
5♦ is clear.
7♥ is an abortion.
6N by north is so money here at MPs.
Absolutely agree.
It seems that everyone is on the same wavelength here, so this should not be too much of a problem.
By the way, the 7♥ bid (besides being incredibly bad for so many other reasons) goes against a basic principal - do not bid a grand slam on speculation. There is no way that North could count 13 tricks on this auction.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 10:57
gnasher, on Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM, said:
South wasn't too pushy: he can make a grand slam opposite a 12-count. However, I think he should make better use of the available space. 5♦-5♥-5♠ seems obvious.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
North's 7♥ is awful with so much spade wastage.
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Whats ATB/WTP etc? Any page that explains the abbreviations used on the site?
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Posted 2009-August-13, 11:08
Is this really ATB, or rather a "help me prove South did something wrong"?
North bidding grand without a useful Ace is ridiculous. I blame North.
North bidding grand without a useful Ace is ridiculous. I blame North.
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wtf, I always though ATB stood for analyse the board lol.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 17:28
Related question on this auction: is there any merit to a pass by south at turn 2? (if you invite a cue)
5D(cue)-5H-6H also fine by me.
(On original sequence, I kinda like 5S, especially if it's exclusion, but the next bid by N is 6D if he must cue, and 6H is better, 7H is terrible)
5D(cue)-5H-6H also fine by me.
(On original sequence, I kinda like 5S, especially if it's exclusion, but the next bid by N is 6D if he must cue, and 6H is better, 7H is terrible)
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Posted 2009-August-13, 19:47
What has north got that he did not show with the 2NT bid?
7♥ is incredibly optimistic
7♥ is incredibly optimistic
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Posted 2009-August-13, 20:09
Cascade, on Aug 14 2009, 03:47 AM, said:
7♥ is incredibly optimistic
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2009-August-13, 20:38
yep....south looks like forcing pass after J2N, which I hate but it did not contribute to the disaster. 7H bid is the 114 percent culprit....the remaining 25 percent goes to south.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 20:59
1 Keycard no Q of trumps. ive had single raise that manage to be better than north hand.
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