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Another tough rebid

Poll: Another tough rebid (46 member(s) have cast votes)

Another tough rebid

  1. 1N (32 votes [69.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.57%

  2. 2C (2 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  3. 2D (3 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  4. 2S (5 votes [10.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.87%

  5. Protest vote for weak NT (4 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

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Posted 2009-August-11, 10:53

Ax
5xxx
AJTx
Axx

Weak NTers can keep quiet on this one please.

1♦ - (1♥) - 1♠ - pass
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Posted 2009-August-11, 11:58

Phil, on Aug 11 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

Ax
5xxx
AJTx
Axx

Weak NTers can keep quiet on this one please.

1♦ - (1♥) - 1♠ - pass
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presumably your 1♠ bid shows 5. So 2♠ looks like the best lie available IMO. This is a really ugly hand for those who use 1♠ to show 4 or more and the -X to show 3 or less :lol:
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Posted 2009-August-11, 12:10

I wish to first officially state: "Yuck!"

Phil. Great problem. Where did you find this gem?

It seems that the issues here are at least two-fold (fwiw, I'm not very good at folding- ask my wife.) 1) What rebid is the least lie, the least of evils? & 2) what rebid will best allow for partner to re-evaluate his/her hand after my response to 1S.

I admit that, on a lot of occasions, depending on whom my partner is, i might rebid 1NT. Balanced 12-14, no 3 or 4-card spade support, etc., etc. Who knows, I might talk lho out of leading hearts against NT although my 5432 of hearts increases the chance that lho would still have a natural heart lead. How well can you bluff?

However, at this moment (always subject to change), I think that a 2-spade raise is the least lie and might be more helpful in a competitive auction for the following reasons:

I play that my partner's 1 spade bid (after the opps overcalled 1 heart) pretty-much promises 5+ spades. Ax doesn't seem to be such poor support considering the likelihood that one would raise on 3-card support. In addition, partner, in re-evaluating his/her hand, will be placing some potentially wasted heart values in my hand that I don't have when deciding on what, if any, action partner would take if I rebid 1NT. (I would not be thrilled to hear partner raise to 3NT on the assumption that I can stop hearts. Yes, partner could also have a heart stopper.) Granted, partner likely is relatively short in hearts, but so is rho. Partner could be vulnerable to being either tapped in hearts or over-ruffed by rho in a spade contract. But, hopefully, my aces would offer some protection from rho reaching his partner's hand quickly for another over-ruff or trump promotion. In addition to the above, the value of my hand would increase should partner be somewhat 2-suited.
I don't know if others would agree with my reasoning, but it is what it is.

When do I get to make my pitch for weak or 13-16 1NT openers? lol

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Posted 2009-August-11, 12:20

1n for me.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 13:26

1nt this doesnt show a stop

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Posted 2009-August-11, 15:22

Is there some other bid but 1NT? Raise spades with a doubleton, perhaps. I wouldn't be angry if partner raised my spades here. His call.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 15:35

1NT obviously wich shows 12-14 balanced, just what we've got.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 20:54

1NT shows 12-14 balanced.Even assuming the usual "standard" in America where 1♠ shows 5, I prefer 1NT to a raise on 2 cards and no ruffing value.

1NT is a value bid and if PD is concerned about a stopper for NT he can ask me later.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 21:09

i bet i can fill in the heart spots.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 04:16

2♠ - partner will have 5 (on my methods) and my hand looks suit orientated and I don't like to bid 1NT on xxxx
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Posted 2009-August-12, 05:42

2♠ - if it was Txxx I'd bid 1NT.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 05:55

1NT WTP.

2♠ on a doubleton just seems bizarre.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 05:58

depends on the heart spots :)
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Posted 2009-August-12, 10:23

1 nt if not vul and pass if vul.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 10:30

dilipshind, on Aug 12 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

1 nt if not vul and pass if vul.

LOL. Your partner will start shopping for another partner. Pass is not an option.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 10:31

Before I post the spoiler, I want Justin's and Han's answers.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 13:40

Phil, on Aug 12 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

Before I post the spoiler, I want Justin's and Han's answers.

I didn't reply to this because I went back and fourth. My only real comment is that xxxx is significantly worse for bidding 1N than xxx. With xxx I would routinely bid 1N.

Even with xxxx I lean towards 1N, but the aces and prime nature of the hand really seems to argue for a suit contract. So I lean towards 2S, but then I think about how bad this is if partner does have Hxx of hearts...

Overall I think it's 1N but I would not care which one my partner chose.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 13:44

1NT for me. Show hand type and doesn't promise a stop.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 14:13

Or:

Phil, on Aug 11 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

Ax
5xxx
AJTx
AQx

Strong NTers can keep quiet on this one please.

I'm in the 1NT camp either way.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 14:30

Han's "smallest lie"

and this...

As I was looking at old threads, I can across this gem.

One of the areas where (at least BBF) has changed (evolved) is the willingness to bid 1N without a stopper in these cases without stopper.

Notwithstanding Justin's recent comment about xxx being better than xxxx (which I agree with), I thought it would be interesting to look at views four years ago versus now.
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