[abbadagg]

Scoring: MP

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Using 2/1. North opens 1S, East bids 3C. How should the bidding go? Thanks

Al

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1S - (3C) - 4C (1) - (Pass)
4H (2) - (Pass) - 4NT (3) - (Pass)
5S (4) - (Pass) - 5NT (5) - (Pass)
6C (6) - (Pass) - 6D (7) - (Pass)
6S (8)

(1) good raise too 4S
(2) cue, one has the wasted king of lubs, but the 7th spade
and the known 10 card fit justifies a cue, the cue should
be a top honor
(3) RKCB for spades
(4) 2KC with the Queen, the add. length
(5) asking for kings
(6) king of clubs
(7) asking for the kind of diamonds
(8) not on board

With kind regards
Marlowe

[shevek]

Not clear to South that spades is best. Wouldn't want to reach 6♠ opposite
♠A9532  ♥QT87  ♦K5  ♣Q2
In 6♠, a club lead will expose declarer to the likely 4-1 spade break. Also, decent chance of stiff heart lead.

Prefer 3♥ - 3♠ then 5♣ might be voidwood.

[mike777]

abbadagg, on Aug 6 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Using 2/1. North opens 1S, East bids 3C. How should the bidding go? Thanks

Al

nonexpert


n opens 1s

south responds 6s




next?

[nigel_k]

1♠-(3♣)-4♣
4♥-5♣
5♠-6♠

4♣: agree spades and initiates cue bidding
4♥: cue first round control, denies first round diamond control
5♣: cue (probably) first round control
5♠: nothing more to say
6♠: knows ♦K missing as no 5♦ cue so 7 likely to be too high.

This assumes you cue bid first round controls before second. There are fancy methods that combine Blackwood and voids but you don't need them here.

[Fluffy]

Uwe, bidding 4NT is not a good idea with a void, asking for Kings with 1 keycard missing ain't good either.

[ONEferBRID]

Fluffy, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Uwe, bidding 4NT is not a good idea with a void, asking for Kings with 1 keycard missing ain't good either.

The 4H cue must be the Ace, so 4NT with Cl void is OK.
Even the K-ask is OK here....if playing specific Kings.
I play "mixed cues" ( 1st or 2nd Rnd Ctrl ) , so 4H denies a Ctrl in Diam.
Thus, after the 5S reply, my auction would sign-off at 6.

[Free]

5♣ Exclusion followed by King ask so we don't miss grand. Why is everyone making things difficult with 4♣ and cues?

[bid_em_up]

Given an uncontested auction, getting to 6S or even 7S should be a relatively simple task. How likely is it that this auction is going to be uncontested though? My opponents are rarely that friendly. Everyone appears to be assuming that LHO is going to be silent over 4C or 5C. I think this is a poor prospect since LHO is looking at a weak hand with 4 card support after his partner just preempted. His next bid is likely to be 6C, or given the favorable vulnerability 7C, in which case we have told partner absolutely nothing about our hand.

I prefer to bid 3♥ over 3♣. There is too much potential for a grand and nothing says spades will be best as we do not know about partner's extra spade length at this point in the auction.

How we proceed from here will likely depend on LHO's next call. He may well further the preempt. He almost certainly will if we bid 4C or 5C, but he might just pass over 3H as he cannot be certain that we are heading for slam yet.

If LHO does pass, getting to 6S should be relatively simple. In fact, I am not sure you could keep me out of 7S on this holding if I can find out partner has the heart A and the spade A.

If LHO furthers the preempt with 5C or 6C, I will just bid 6S. If LHO bids 7C initially or over 6S, I think I am forced to double and take the money.

jmoo.

[P_Marlowe]

Fluffy, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Uwe, bidding 4NT is not a good idea with a void, asking for Kings with 1 keycard missing ain't good either.

I agree, and I am not very fond of my suggested auction.

The 4NT bid is of no big help, if we want to decide between 6S or
7S, after the heart cue, responder will always force to slam.
5C instead of 4NT is better, opener will now bid 5H, showing first
round control in hearts, in parallel denying a 2nd round control
(via a shortage) in diamonds, which means responder can end the
auction with 6S.

Also the 6D is basically useless, maybe it asks for diamond shortage,
since opener already denied the king.

The resulting auction is basically the auction suggested by nigel_k,
with the difference, that I play mixed cues, i.e. I have to bid 5H to
show the Ace.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kenrexford]

mike777, on Aug 6 2009, 02:56 AM, said:

abbadagg, on Aug 6 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ A1098432 ♥ A6 ♦ J5 ♣ K2 ♠ KQJ ♥ KJ1087 ♦ AQ872 ♣

Using 2/1. North opens 1S, East bids 3C. How should the bidding go? Thanks

Al

nonexpert


n opens 1s

south responds 6s




next?

This works for me too.

I mean, you can screw around a while if you want, but ultimately Responder will bid 6♠ at some point regardless of what happens in the interim.

[Phil]

I would start with 3♥. While I expect a big club call by LHO, I will be suppoorting spades next and I will force this to 6.

My main concern isn't making 6, its missing 7.

[ONEferBRID]

abbadagg, on Aug 6 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ A1098432 ♥ A6 ♦ J5 ♣ K2 ♠ KQJ ♥ KJ1087 ♦ AQ872 ♣

Using 2/1. North opens 1S, East bids 3C. How should the bidding go? Thanks

Al

I'm going to "screw around" with another "difficult" approach to inquire about 7:

Again I'm going to assume the 4H cue is the Ht A and at the same time denying the Diam K.
So I'll use 4NT-RKC for Sp and when partner replies 5S ( 2+ "Q"), I'll know the missing Ace is the CL and partner has added length in Sp ( say at least 6 cards ).

Now, since it is of no use to ask for Specific K's, I'll make an outside Q-ask ( 3rd Rnd Ctrl ask ) in HEARTS by BY-PASSING 5NT:

1S - .... (3C).. - 4C (1).. - (Pass)
4H (2) - (Pass) - 4NT (3) - (Pass)
5S (4) - (Pass) - 6H! ( 3rd Rnd Ctrl Ask )
??
6S = no 3rd Rnd Ctrl
7S = x x in Hts ( here it would mean A x )
6NT = HQ
7H = HQJ

...... Now you are in 7S and have to hope the HQ comes down in two ruffs at most.
Also, a Diam lead could be a killer -- you might need that Ace as the final entry to cash the good Ht (s). But, I bet the opening lead is a Cl.

[Cascade]

5♣ exclusion then seven if partner admitted to the ♦K.

[Jlall]

kenrexford, on Aug 6 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

mike777, on Aug 6 2009, 02:56 AM, said:

abbadagg, on Aug 6 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

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Using 2/1. North opens 1S, East bids 3C. How should the bidding go? Thanks

Al

nonexpert


n opens 1s

south responds 6s




next?

This works for me too.

I mean, you can screw around a while if you want, but ultimately Responder will bid 6♠ at some point regardless of what happens in the interim.

Surprised by this view, I think you can let partner out after 4C-4S-5C-5S.

[Fluffy]

ONEferBRID, on Aug 6 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Uwe, bidding 4NT is not a good idea with a void, asking for Kings with 1 keycard missing ain't good either.

The 4H cue must be the Ace

I think it would be pretty standard to cue singleton heart.

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so 4NT with Cl void is OK.

Even if you assume partner has ♥A he didn't say he has ♠A, he can have ♣A+♠A and you are gonna play a stupid contract off th ace of trumps.

[ONEferBRID]

Fluffy, on Aug 7 2009, 05:49 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Aug 6 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Uwe, bidding 4NT is not a good idea with a void, asking for Kings with 1 keycard missing ain't good either.

The 4H cue must be the Ace

I think it would be pretty standard to cue singleton heart.

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so 4NT with Cl void is OK.

Even if you assume partner has ♥A he didn't say he has ♠A, he can have ♣A+♠A and you are gonna play a stupid contract off th ace of trumps.

I need to review better before I post.

It didn't dawn on me that Opener would make a "stupid" 4H cue without the trump ace holding only a TEN high suit ( since I hold the K Q J ).

Realistically, 6S should be the upper limit.