[zheddh]

(p) - 1♥ - (p) - ?

Do you prefer a 1S now or a 2D? Please give your reasons and subsequent plan.

Scoring: MP

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TIA

This post has been edited by zheddh: 2009-July-30, 01:27

[P_Marlowe]

1S, systemic, and my plan is following the system, until
I reach a point I need to make a decision.
And it helps, that the bid gives p the maximal room, because
I will have the most information av., if I am forced to guess.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[cRi cRi]

P_Marlowe, on Jul 30 2009, 02:37 AM, said:

1S, systemic, and my plan is following the system, until
I reach a point I need to make a decision.
And it helps, that the bid gives p the maximal room, because
I will have the most information av., if I am forced to guess.

With kind regards
Marlowe

+1

[mike777]

nonexpert response:


2d

why? i hope this makes the auction easier......

btw I play 2s or 3c over 2d does not promise extras....2h rebid shows 6

so:



1h=2d
2nt(11_13)=3h=natural and slam try....

[the hog]

1S. Will not mastermind with 2D.

[the hog]

1S. Will not mastermind with 2D.

[Fluffy]

agree with the above


agree with the above

[kenrexford]

2♦. Somewhat close for me, actually.

Because I am so strong, I want to set GF. Partner's next call could be 2♠, in which case I could change trumps focus. Normally, he bids something where O next bid 3♥ to set trumps. I can then bid 5♣ exclusion because I am that strong.

Were the hand slightly weaker, this is not as appealing. Were my two suits clubs and spades, 2♣ would be wildly more attractive and almost obvious even with a bare GF, because the chance of a rebid of 2♦ in my void suit would be so high, and setting trumps at the two-level in a GF auction is so powerful (for me at least).

[gwnn]

I'm surprised you don't respond 2♣ on this hand Ken

[pooltuna]

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

[hrothgar]

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized.

A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago...

This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time

[pooltuna]

hrothgar, on Jul 30 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized.

A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago...

This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time

How do you figure no fit partner opened 1♥. We are slam bound unless controls prove inadequate

[hrothgar]

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Jul 30 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized.

A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago...

This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time

How do you figure no fit partner opened 1♥. We are slam bound unless controls prove inadequate

Sorry

Completely my bad.
I had the round suits reversed (I thought that the hand had a heart void and Kxx in Clubs)

[ochinko]

The_Hog, on Jul 30 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

1S. Will not mastermind with 2D.

This deserved to be said twice.

[aguahombre]

I know people hate strong responding hands that start 1H 1S, because they can get nasty, but don't think distorting the distribution with 2D is going to help. Sure, it creates the game force that you want, but this is a hand where getting information as to size and shape from partner is the key. 2/1 players who know their tools are OK after the 1S response.

[Phil]

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

Agree with this. Playing with the GIBs has re-introduced me to the joys of SJS.

I get to follow-up with 3 or 4♣ to show spades, heart support and club shortness and I like this approach.

[Cascade]

Phil, on Jul 31 2009, 03:19 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 30 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early

Agree with this. Playing with the GIBs has re-introduced me to the joys of SJS.

I get to follow-up with 3 or 4♣ to show spades, heart support and club shortness and I like this approach.

Why would any of these auctions

1♥ 2♠
2NT 3♣

or

1♥ 2♠
3any 4♣

show shortage?

[Phil]

Cascade, on Jul 30 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

Why would any of these auctions

1♥ 2♠
2NT 3♣

or

1♥ 2♠
3any 4♣

show shortage?

Because that's the way GIB plays it? And I think its part of Soloway JS's too.

[kenrexford]

aguahombre, on Jul 30 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

I know people hate strong responding hands that start 1H 1S, because they can get nasty, but don't think distorting the distribution with 2D is going to help. Sure, it creates the game force that you want, but this is a hand where getting information as to size and shape from partner is the key. 2/1 players who know their tools are OK after the 1S response.

Huh?

First of all, partner can tell us a lot about size and shape. In response to 2♦, he might rebid hearts, he might rebid spades, he might rebid 3♣. He might do a lot of things. Then, after we raise hearts, he might show us shortness in spades. Or, he might tell us whether he has serious or non-serious interest.

All that said, how can you think that partner's shape and strength is key to this hand? We have the void, the 5-5 pattern, and undoubtedly the strongest HCP hand of the two of us. Partner's shape is probably completely irrelevant.

[Echognome]

Seems a clear 1♠. I believe in the school that bids 2♣ with a balanced game forcing hand with 4♠'s, but certainly not with 5♠.