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1S-----2H (not GF)
3H-----4D (serious)
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partner denies the A of S and a club control but bid a good 4D instead of a non-serious 3Nt.
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Posted 2009-August-04, 22:05
1S-----2H (not GF)
3H-----4D (serious)
????
partner denies the A of S and a club control but bid a good 4D instead of a non-serious 3Nt.
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PS 3H is GF
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Posted 2009-August-04, 22:14
Was my 3♥ forcing? If not, I'm kind of amazed by it.
Wow; a serious cue missing all these controls. Pard needs ♥AKxxxx or 7th, ♦K for the bidding plus enough for a serious try. ♣Q gets us to 50-50; spade void and its at least 50-50.
I'll bid 5♣.
Wow; a serious cue missing all these controls. Pard needs ♥AKxxxx or 7th, ♦K for the bidding plus enough for a serious try. ♣Q gets us to 50-50; spade void and its at least 50-50.
I'll bid 5♣.
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Posted 2009-August-04, 22:50
6NT.
6♥ might be better, e.g. x AKxxxx KQJx xx and 2-2 hearts.
However 6NT will very often be as good or better than 6♥. If they have a choice between a club and a diamond lead, the diamond may seem more attractive if it's through partner's cue bid instead of around to it.
6♥ might be better, e.g. x AKxxxx KQJx xx and 2-2 hearts.
However 6NT will very often be as good or better than 6♥. If they have a choice between a club and a diamond lead, the diamond may seem more attractive if it's through partner's cue bid instead of around to it.
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Posted 2009-August-04, 23:11
Not sure i understand the bidding either. However on the basis of the information given, I am bidding 5C. I agree with Phil's comments.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 04:04
Phil, on Aug 5 2009, 06:14 AM, said:
Was my 3♥ forcing? If not, I'm kind of amazed by it.
Wow; a serious cue missing all these controls. Pard needs ♥AKxxxx or 7th, ♦K for the bidding plus enough for a serious try. ♣Q gets us to 50-50; spade void and its at least 50-50.
I'll bid 5♣.
Wow; a serious cue missing all these controls. Pard needs ♥AKxxxx or 7th, ♦K for the bidding plus enough for a serious try. ♣Q gets us to 50-50; spade void and its at least 50-50.
I'll bid 5♣.
Why not 4♠ iso 5♣?
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Posted 2009-August-05, 04:28
If I bid 4♠, won't partner be able to cue-bid ♣Q if he has it? That seems to allow us to reach 5♥ opposite x AKxxxx KQJx xx, 6NT opposite x AKxxxx KJxx Qx if RHO doesn't double 5♣, and 6♥ opposite x AKxxxx KJxx Qx if RHO does double 5♣.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-05, 05:10
Under the given conditions I think 4♠ would show spade ace and club control, 5♣ is showing club ace without spade ace.
This is because partner could easilly be singleton in spades.
On my partnership partner would not deny ♠A with this sequence and I'd bid 4♠ so he can ask for keycards and maybe find the easy grand.
So I'd follow Phil's advice and try 5♣
This is because partner could easilly be singleton in spades.
On my partnership partner would not deny ♠A with this sequence and I'd bid 4♠ so he can ask for keycards and maybe find the easy grand.
So I'd follow Phil's advice and try 5♣
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:39
I like 4♠.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:18
The play of the hand looks ugly for 6♥ as you have practically told the defense to lead ♣ and you need the spades for probable ♣discards consequently I only bid 4♥
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Posted 2009-August-05, 10:39
pooltuna, on Aug 5 2009, 09:18 AM, said:
The play of the hand looks ugly for 6♥ as you have practically told the defense to lead ♣ and you need the spades for probable ♣discards consequently I only bid 4♥
How can you sign-off with a nice 17-count, having a possible 11-count, when partner has shown serious interest?
Isn't it equally likely partner has something like QJ in clubs? I mean, partner has little else over there to work with.
Heck, I'd not be remotely surprised if the best contract is 6♠. In fact, I'm really leaning in that direction. Has the benefits of 6NT as far as possible club protection, with an added "last hope" of a quick ditch on a diamond run (third diamond with stiff trump Ace? Doubleton diamond with stiff spade?), plus ability to maybe establish hearts or diamonds by way of a ruff, if needed, with the cost maybe being the need for a 4-3 (or 4-4 LOL) spade split.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 10:41
The biggest benefit of 6N is the extra 10 points at MP. 6S definitely doesn't offer that heh. 6S could also suffer from a heart ruff.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 10:48
Oh yeah -- damned matchpoints.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 11:38
When you said 4D " denied a Cl Ctrl", I assume you also meant NO "shortness" as well. Thus, no reason to go beyond 4H since you'll be out of tempo for Cl discards on Sp ( as already mentioned ).
If there is a possibility for Cl shortness, I'd bid 5H = asking for said stiff or void for 6H.
If there is a possibility for Cl shortness, I'd bid 5H = asking for said stiff or void for 6H.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 15:10
ONEferBRID, on Aug 5 2009, 12:38 PM, said:
When you said 4D " denied a Cl Ctrl", I assume you also meant NO "shortness" as well. Thus, no reason to go beyond 4H since you'll be out of tempo for Cl discards on Sp ( as already mentioned ).
If there is a possibility for Cl shortness, I'd bid 5H = asking for said stiff or void for 6H.
If there is a possibility for Cl shortness, I'd bid 5H = asking for said stiff or void for 6H.
I don't know, maybe...
♠x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx?
If Declarer's RHO has the club King, 6♥ looks like a claimer.
But,
♠10x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣QJ?
or even
♠10xx ♥AKJxx ♦KQx ♣QJ?
Now, 6♠ looks really good.
I mean, what is making partner serious here?
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Posted 2009-August-06, 01:12
4♠ - cue in own suit showing 2 of top 3 honors.
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Posted 2009-August-06, 01:58
kenrexford, on Aug 5 2009, 10:10 PM, said:
I don't know, maybe...
♠x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx?
If Declarer's RHO has the club King, 6♥ looks like a claimer.
But,
♠10x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣QJ?
or even
♠10xx ♥AKJxx ♦KQx ♣QJ?
Now, 6♠ looks really good.
♠x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx?
If Declarer's RHO has the club King, 6♥ looks like a claimer.
But,
♠10x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣QJ?
or even
♠10xx ♥AKJxx ♦KQx ♣QJ?
Now, 6♠ looks really good.
Disregarding that we both have ♥J and ♠10, all of these hands will play at least as well in 6NT, won't they?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-06, 08:08
Believing partner got the club queen
I would have bid 5C hoping it enticed a X, with the double you bid 6Nt otherwise we will play 6H.
Otherwise bidding 4S make sense, if partner is turn off you bid 6H (becasue hes probably void otherwise you bid 6Nt.
PS if you dont play serious non-serious do you sign off or make a move ?
the hand was
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AKxxxx
KJxx
Qxx
6H is the best spot
I would have bid 5C hoping it enticed a X, with the double you bid 6Nt otherwise we will play 6H.
Otherwise bidding 4S make sense, if partner is turn off you bid 6H (becasue hes probably void otherwise you bid 6Nt.
PS if you dont play serious non-serious do you sign off or make a move ?
the hand was
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AKxxxx
KJxx
Qxx
6H is the best spot
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2009-August-06, 10:45
gnasher, on Aug 6 2009, 02:58 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 5 2009, 10:10 PM, said:
I don't know, maybe...
♠x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx?
If Declarer's RHO has the club King, 6♥ looks like a claimer.
But,
♠10x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣QJ?
or even
♠10xx ♥AKJxx ♦KQx ♣QJ?
Now, 6♠ looks really good.
♠x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣Qxx?
If Declarer's RHO has the club King, 6♥ looks like a claimer.
But,
♠10x ♥AKJxx ♦KQxx ♣QJ?
or even
♠10xx ♥AKJxx ♦KQx ♣QJ?
Now, 6♠ looks really good.
Disregarding that we both have ♥J and ♠10, all of these hands will play at least as well in 6NT, won't they?
Perhaps, and much better in 6♠ than either on some of these. But, game only is not so good.
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