[the hog]

(2H) 2S (P) ?

AQxx
Jx
QJTxxx
x

For those of you who play fit showing jumps:
Does the quality of the D suit allow you to bid 4D here, or do you need something like KJxxx as a minimum. Iow, does your suit quality have to be such so that 1 honour in partner's hand solidifies the suit, or is this requirement too stringent?

I am ambivalent, so please justify answers.

Ron

[Shrike]

I think this one's a fit jump. No justification other than (1) this approach seems to work (but the sample size is small for this auction and those like it) and (2) this hand is very hard to show otherwise, and I sure want to. The diamond suit will provide tricks if partner fits, and that's what matters. We can find control later if he's interested. Partner will always have one honor when he gets excited -- if my diamonds were fabulous I'd bid differently.

It is reasonable to play transfer advances after overcalls of weak 2's, and that would add another option. If you did use them, I suggest that the hand above would become a normal fit jump -- with great spades and a good diamond suit, you would transfer to spades and rebid diamonds, and with great diamonds and adequate spades, you'd bid diamonds first.

[EricK]

This hand looks like a normal fit jump hand to me.

If there is a double fit, we are making lots of tricks on offence and very few on defense. Just the message partner needs to make a sensible high level decision.

But on this auction, is there much chance of partner having a high level decision to make? Surely LHO isn't going to bid again, and RHO would likely have raised ♥ immediately if he had some. I think that jump bids on auctions like this should be slammish (either a much better suit, or maybe a splinter - it's a partnership decision)

Eric

[whereagles]

The 'classical' fit-jump suit has the A or K, so this one doesn't qualify. Also, the fit-jump is supposed to put partner in charge, so it's not a good idea to paint a distorted image of your hand.

However, the only 'rule' that works all the time in bridge is to think, and this might be just the right hand to evade theoretical requirements for a fit-jump. RHO hasn't bid, so there's no urgent need to point a good lead. Also, you have extra diamond lenght, a source of tricks you have no way to show except with a fit-jump.

The hand in question is, in my opinion, a borderline hand. You either overbid your hand slightly with 4♦ but describe it adequately, or you bid 3♥ hoping this will be enough to encourage pard to go on with a moderate hand. The state of match, personal style and quality of opponents can help you decide more than technical considerations.

I would bid 3♥ at a neutral state of match, though I'd use a 4♦ fit-jump if in need of a swing.

Be prepared to apologize if pard has KJxxxx Ax Axx Kx, going down in 6♠ when the diamond hook fails

[Fluffy]

There is a lot of difference between competitive jump fits and constructive slam trying jump fits.

When in competitive auction the key is to find if double fit is out there so we better play in the 5 level than let them play doubled.

On the given example we are on the slam aproach situation, I think the suit doesn´t rate for a jump fit althou it is close. The problem here is that other alternatives are poor. I would go wtih 3♥ followed by pass if partner bids 4♠.

[inquiry]

Yes, I would use a fit jump. I don't promise anything more than values for 4♠ with ♦ stuff. This hand fits, i don't need A or K, and if suit headed just by ACE I wouldn;t make fit jump.

As for slamish, this crappy hand is sort of slammish. I have a singleton club, nice long suit I can tell partner about, and very, very good ♠ support. Partner with a ♦ fit and and ♥ control will not be terrible disappointed iwth this hand if he forces beyond 4♠ -- again, because all I promise is values for 4♠,

Ben

[the hog]

Thx all.
If you want to know a result,
the other hand was
KJxxx
x
AKx
Axxx

We bid 6, but the hand prompted a discussion on the suit quality of the fj.
Neither pd nor I were sure how most people play it.

[Flame]

I like this fit jump, i dont think it have to be KJ+, the fit jump main purpose isnt to let partner count tricks and bid slams , its more of a tool for partner making the right decision in cometitive autions, here i want partner with A of K or a diamond lengh to know , his diamonds are much better offensively then diffensively.

[Fluffy]

The_Hog, on Jun 9 2004, 12:52 AM, said:

Thx all.
If you want to know a result,
the other hand was
KJxxx
x
AKx
Axxx

That looks likr a clear double to me, only me?

[the hog]

Don't think so. Why X? I prefer to show my 5 card S suit here. This hand is certainly not to strong for a 2S overcall.

[Chamaco]

I like to think of "suit quality" for side suit FJS as a suit that has max one loser provided pard can contribute at least a doubleton with one of the top 5 honors.
So QJTxx is ok for my requirements.