[Codo]

You play mps with quite strong players, but in this tourney, regular partnerships are forbidden, so you have no big science avaiable.

The bidding starts with:

East You West Partner
2♠ X 4 ♠ X

2 Spade was a weak two
Partners double showed values and two placed to play. You should be confident to find him with 4 Hearts, as he had bid 4 NT with both minors.

Unuckily, you are quite sure, that partner will not understand 4 Nt followed by 5 Heart as passable invitation for 6, so you need to decide now: 5 or 6?

I made it wrong of course, else, there had been no question.

[Fluffy]

Trying to be serious.

There is no deal here!.

The 4NT thing doesn't work on every partner, when he bids 5 diamonds and you bid 5 hearts he suddenly beleives you wanted to play 5 clubs or 5 hearts.


Back to the main point: I need a deal, but I would bid 4NT before comiting to my decision to get a bit of extra info.

[TimG]

Partner might not understand your invitational sequence, but there is a chance he will understand and that seems better than taking unilateral action yourself if you don't think 6♥ is warranted by your hand.

[Gerben42]

I'm going to bid 6. When I don't see my cards, how can it be wrong!

[gwnn]

when in doubt, bid more

[Codo]

U R bean counters.

Okay the deal was:

♠ Q5
♥ KQJ95
♦ AK
♣ AJ83

Sorry for forgetting this small detail...

[Fluffy]

spade ace/void, heart ace, and club king are my inmediate losers, partner having 2/3 is not too much to ask, I am closer to 6 than 5.


Seeing the cards it is close between biding 4NT (raising when partner has clubs, but bidding only 5 hearts when he has diamonds) and just blasting 6.

I Will go with 6 hearts

[Jlall]

6H

[TimG]

Codo, on Aug 11 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

♠ Q5
♥ KQJ95
♦ AK
♣ AJ83

Seems like enough for 6♥ to me.

[Codo]

Well, "we all" reach 6 Heart with enough tricks.


But unluckily, they had 9 HCPS between them, the jack of spade and two other honours. I leave it to you to find out about the score after a spade lead.
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[Fluffy]

did partner have the ♠K void?

[RMB1]

Codo, on Aug 10 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

Unuckily, you are quite sure, that partner will not understand 4 Nt followed by 5 Heart as passable invitation for 6, ...

Isn't it better to play an immediate 5H as a mild slam try, and 4N-5m-5H as to play?

This similar to "scrambling" 2NT sequences,
if ...-(2S)-...-2NT is (primarily) two places to play then
...-(2S)-...-3H is a mild game try and
...-(2S)-...-2NT-3m-3H is a sign off

-2NT-3C-3H is a single-suited sign-off but
-2NT-3D-3H is two places to play C+H OR single-suited

I think this is covered in Robson and Segal's book

Robin

[Fluffy]

I think you are right robin

[Free]

RMB1, on Aug 13 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

Codo, on Aug 10 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

Unuckily, you are quite sure, that partner will not understand 4 Nt followed by 5 Heart as passable invitation for 6, ...

Isn't it better to play an immediate 5H as a mild slam try, and 4N-5m-5H as to play?

This similar to "scrambling" 2NT sequences,
if ...-(2S)-...-2NT is (primarily) two places to play then
...-(2S)-...-3H is a mild game try and
...-(2S)-...-2NT-3m-3H is a sign off

-2NT-3C-3H is a single-suited sign-off but
-2NT-3D-3H is two places to play C+H OR single-suited

I think this is covered in Robson and Segal's book

Robin

I think you're mixing Lebensohl and scrambling situations here.

[benlessard]

The idea of 5H being a slam try is that using 4Nt for that purpose doesnt always work.

4Nt------5D
5H

5H here show either H + C or H slammish. So its better to use 5H as a slam try and 4Nt to H soff or 2 suiter. These are not really standard and must be discussed first.

Anyway i would just bid 6H.