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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2009-July-30, 15:02

Scoring: MP

(2♠) - P - (4♠) - Dbl;
(P) - ?


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Posted 2009-July-30, 15:03

4NT
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Posted 2009-July-30, 15:27

4NT say i
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Posted 2009-July-30, 15:37

Two places to play - 4NT
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Posted 2009-July-30, 16:00

Echognome, on Jul 30 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(2♠) - P - (4♠) - Dbl;
(P) - ?


Problem courtesy of Ch00.

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This is why you pass with AJxxx x Axx AJxx in 4th seat when the auction is P P 4♥ to you. 4♥ rates to go down but you can't make anything so you end up taking a pointless sacrifice, going down doubled. With this hand, Pass and expect partner to set it with the pitiful help you have.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 16:08

pooltuna when everyone doubled AJxxx x Axx AJxx, it lead to a making 4♠. what's your point? maybe you could express it a little better so i understand it
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Posted 2009-July-30, 16:37

Partner is short in spades, we have a double fit surelly.

What partner should pass is a balanced 18 count with 2/3 spades, not a hand with shortness in their suit suitable to play or defend.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 19:58

gwnn, on Jul 30 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

pooltuna when everyone doubled AJxxx x Axx AJxx, it lead to a making 4♠. what's your point? maybe you could express it a little better so i understand it

In bridge sometimes bad bids are rewarded and good ones punished. In the hand that got to a making 4♠ how would you like to bid into 4♥XX or have partner hold a similar hand to the one here that is asking what call to make after the X
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Posted 2009-July-30, 20:36

4NT is probably best at matchpoints because -590 (or -690) is quite likely and we can't afford that.

At IMPs I would pass. It doesn't look like the sort of hand where both sides make game. In many cases the alternative to -590 will be -500. If partner has enough to make five of a minor we should collect 300 or 500. So those will be smallish losses. We'll gain when both contracts fail (obviously) or when we make five of a minor but partner continues to slam. Those gains will be slightly less frequent but bigger overall.

Passing bad hands like this also implies that I have some values when I do bid 4NT so it'll be easier for partner to bid slams.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 21:56

Pass.
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Posted 2009-July-31, 01:49

pooltuna, on Jul 31 2009, 03:58 AM, said:

In the hand that got to a making 4♠ how would you like to bid into 4♥XX or have partner hold a similar hand to the one here that is asking what call to make after the X

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Posted 2009-July-31, 03:36

4NT, also 2 places to play.
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