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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:02

Scoring: MP

East opens 1♣. What do you call at MP's?
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Posted 2009-July-22, 18:16

1♠ OK for me at MPs.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 18:37

If the x's are all small, then no. I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling. Give me AT9xx and I would. AT8xx probably.

I'm also not a fan of 5422's. Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 19:12

I pass. See this thread.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 19:45

I would bid 1♠.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 21:20

Echognome, on Jul 22 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

If the x's are all small, then no.  I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling.  Give me AT9xx and I would.  AT8xx probably. 

I'm also not a fan of 5422's.  Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.

Agree with Gnome. I love overcalling but this suit has more s_it than suit.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 21:27

Phil, on Jul 22 2009, 08:20 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jul 22 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

If the x's are all small, then no.  I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling.  Give me AT9xx and I would.  AT8xx probably. 

I'm also not a fan of 5422's.  Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.

Agree with Gnome. I love overcalling but this suit has is more s_it than suit.

Well said.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 22:53

of course 1s is an ugly overcall....and of course some people will overcall, but not on a forum....too embarrassing. (edit)...before anyone jumps, I really mean I might do it at the table, if I felt froggy --but would not admit it here.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 03:35

Nowhere near a bid. I might in 3rd seat, though.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 05:29

nope
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Posted 2009-July-23, 06:51

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Posted 2009-July-23, 13:18

If the suit were not spades, I'd pass. As it is, I would overcall and take some bidding room away from West. Also, there's a decent chance the opponents have an 8-card red-suit fit and if partner has 3 spades it may be right to compete. I don't want to have to guess after 1C-p-1H-p-2H.
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Posted 2009-July-24, 10:11

pass is fine for me
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Posted 2009-July-25, 01:00

Thank you all for the answers.
I did bid 1♥ - transfer to ♠ - and my partner did bid 4♠. That was DBLed and did go min 2. My partner did bid 4♠ to make and was disappointed by the dummy. He did expect more. (eg a singleton iso 2 doubletons).
...Pretty much a style thing. It wasn't a disaster as opps could make 4♥.
He said that I didn't have enough for a 1 level overcall. If I can't pass with it then I should bid 2♠ weak. (I will rather pass).
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Posted 2009-July-26, 12:57

Automatic 1S bid for me.
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Posted 2009-July-26, 13:07

1♠ - wouldn't even think about it.

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Posted 2009-July-26, 13:08

kgr, on Jul 25 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

Thank you all for the answers.
I did bid 1♥ - transfer to ♠ - and my partner did bid 4♠. That was DBLed and did go min 2. My partner did bid 4♠ to make and was disappointed by the dummy. He did expect more. (eg a singleton iso 2 doubletons).
...Pretty much a style thing. It wasn't a disaster as opps could make 4♥.
He said that I didn't have enough for a 1 level overcall. If I can't pass with it then I should bid 2♠ weak. (I will rather pass).

Opps could make 4♥ so you did fine!
Does the partnership not have a method to find out if the overcall was any good?
We would cue 2♣ to show a good raise, invite or better.
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2♠: dead minimum
3♠: better than minimum, not super
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Posted 2009-July-26, 17:49

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?
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Posted 2009-July-27, 02:03

The_Hog, on Jul 27 2009, 01:49 AM, said:

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?

I don't remember;
...Something like:
♠KQxx
♥xxx
♦AJTxx
♣x
(An offensive hand with good fit that has a good chance for game opposite a decent 1♠ overcall).
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Posted 2009-July-27, 02:56

I would pass without even thinking of bidding .... but I am French :)
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