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What is your next bid and why? o you agree with south's spade bid?

#1 User is offline   Sadie3 

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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:20

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Bidding

WE NO EA SO
---- ---- ---- PA
PA 1H PA 1S
2C ?
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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:30

2 hearts, to say he has rebiddable hearts and a minimum hand.


what is wrong with the spade bid? the guyt has 2.5 quick tricks and a comfortable rebid.

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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:38

I think I figured it out.,... 2way drury for South and then there is no problem..... 2d.....4h....all done. :)
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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:43

Yes, drury (or any other limit raise) would be fine. The non-forcing 1S bid is terrible - South really doesn't want to be passed out in 1S.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:44

I don't like the 1 at all. We have found our fit. I would have bid 2 drury, given I am a passed hand. However, if I were an unpassed hand, then I would have made a limit raise.

For what it's worth, I would have opened 1 with the west hand.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 17:48

Making a non-forcing bid on a four card suit while concealing at least an eight card fit in partner's suit is folly. If you play Drury, that's the bid. If you don't play Drury, however you show a limit raise.
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Posted 2009-July-22, 21:26

Drury is clear. You aren't precluded from finding a 4-4 spade fit by the way.

If South happened to bid 1, I would rebid 2, then raise to 3 and bid game as North.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 01:10

If you play as the majority, 1 Spade by a passed hand is non forcing, you better talk with your partner.

Anyway, this is the wrong time to think about Drury. The question is: what to bid now.

3 Heart is an overbid 2 HEart not enough. I would choose the overbid.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 01:24

2H.

And 1S is ok, because in the end it is a systemic question /
partnership agreement questio.
If 3H can be based on 3 card support, than this is an alternative,
but 1S is not bad, because you have will always be able to show
your primary support.

If you dont like 2H now, you could have opened 4H.

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PS: I am coming from a school, which thinks 1S is forcing.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 17:11

No I don't think it is needed. Support with support is my mantra so if this is an acceptable limit raise make the limit raise. If you are forcing to game then bid 2NT if that is your game forcing raise.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 18:21

2, shortness in partner's suit makes you downgrade not the contrary.

Even if 1 is forcing I think it is a mistake, there is no way to shwo a 4 card fit invitational unless you do it right now.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 19:55

Sadie3, on Jul 22 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

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Bidding

WE NO EA SO
---- ---- ---- PA
PA 1H PA 1S
2C ?

as others have said being a passed hand I ignore spades and make our system h raise.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 21:36

fwiw, I would not mention the spade suit even if I am an unpassed hand. I would decide whether I consider this to be a 4 card limit raise or a GF raise and make the appropriate bid immediately. There is little to be gained by bidding spades even if there is a 4-4 fit available, and it tends to make the later auction more difficult. (You are still defining trump suit and strength, when you could be bidding game or cuebidding already).

I would mention the spade suit if my heart support was only three cards, because now playing in a 4-4 fit (in spades) may yield two extra tricks (by possibly having two pitches on the 5-3 hearts), AND I have invitational+ values. If I only had 6-9 hcp, I would again choose the simple raise to 2M, instead of bidding 1S.

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Posted 2009-July-24, 09:23

babalu1997, on Jul 22 2009, 06:30 PM, said:

2 hearts, to say he has rebiddable hearts and a minimum hand.


what is wrong with the spade bid? the guyt has 2.5 quick tricks and a comfortable rebid.

You are in an information war bidding when you have a clear cut, support showing, alternative is anti %age
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