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A black weak NT hand

Poll: Kxx xx J10x AKJxx -- Playing 2/1, what's your rebid after 1C - 1S? (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Kxx xx J10x AKJxx -- Playing 2/1, what's your rebid after 1C - 1S?

  1. 1S (30 votes [68.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.18%

  2. 1NT (14 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  3. 2C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. I wouldn't have opened (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   jeffford76 

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Posted 2009-July-16, 14:45

In case it matters, it's all white at IMPs.

Edit: Sorry, 1S should be 2S, obviously.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 14:47

2S
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Posted 2009-July-16, 14:48

2S. we have ways of asking how many spades and how strong the hand is, so we can raise on 3 not infrequently.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 15:01

Easy 2 raise in any natural system I've played.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 15:04

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Posted 2009-July-16, 15:29

1NT, the hand does not contain a singleton so no raise on 3 cards.
There are good ways to find out a 5-3 fit after this (NMF). I'm surprised that so far it's so unanimous for 2, after all I do not know the way ask if it were 3 cards or not after 1m - 1M - 2M in vanilla 2-over-1 (perhaps someone here can tell me).

With regular partners I use a relay, allowing for a 3-card raise with a singleton. But here...
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Posted 2009-July-16, 18:08

2 looks very normal
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Posted 2009-July-16, 18:12

2, and then partner doesn't have to strain to rebid lousy five card suits after you rebid 1NT, and then you get to rebid 1NT with a singleton in his suit if it seems like the best option, and then your minor suit rebid shows 6+ instead of 5+ which is better for a variety of reasons, and all of a sudden the pieces fit into a very logical and congruous system. The thought makes me happy.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 18:14

This is one of the classic hands that makes a 3 card raise.

I pity those that feel the need to rebid 1N on this pattern and this dispersion of honors.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 00:47

This is one of the classic hand that makes a 1 NT rebid.

I pity those that feel the need to rebid 2 spade on this pattern and this lack of ruffing values.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 00:56

Codo, on Jul 17 2009, 01:47 AM, said:

I pity those that feel the need to rebid 2 spade on this pattern and this lack of ruffing values.

There is a ruffing value.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 01:02

I'd rather play 2/1 with weak nt than strong nt, and this is a hand I'd rather have been able to open 1nt then bid suits. The fact that partner has 5+ points and 4+ spades doesn't change this. If partner has more than minimum strength and/or shape 2-way nmf can figure it out. But 1nt may well be the right place to be.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 01:06

2 guarantees 4 trumps so .. 2. I'ill pretend I missorted my hand. Even if we belong in 3NT rightsiding the contact may be critical
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Posted 2009-July-17, 02:24

The poll is very insightful - rebidding 1S after (1C-1S) is a nice way to separate 3 card raises from "real" 4 card ones :)
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Posted 2009-July-17, 02:30

Rob F, on Jul 17 2009, 09:24 AM, said:

The poll is very insightful - rebidding 1S after (1C-1S) is a nice way to separate 3 card raises from "real" 4 card ones :)

Yes. That's why you should play transfer responses to 1.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 02:54

Easy 2S bid.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 04:27

What about rebidding what you have agreed with partner?, for most people I know this is a 1NT no brainer rebid.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 05:04

Fluffy, on Jul 17 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

for most people I know this is a 1NT no brainer rebid.

It's a cultural thing. In some areas/environments this is an just as obvious 1NT rebid as it is a 2 rebid other places. For me, 2 is clear.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 05:56

Fluffy, on Jul 17 2009, 05:27 AM, said:

What about rebidding what you have agreed with partner?, for most people I know this is a 1NT no brainer rebid.

That's always a good thought : wins the post mortem :( Still even though the no brainer systemic bid is 1NT I think the right bid seems to be 2. Will take the blame if the experiment goes wrong but system is supposed to help no to get in the way
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Posted 2009-July-17, 06:09

jjbrr, on Jul 16 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

2S. we have ways of asking how many spades and how strong the hand is, so we can raise on 3 not infrequently.

Ditto. The are just barely good enough
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