[bothyhead]

A couple of weeks ago I accidentally revoked, and won the trick by ruffing. I did not win any subsequent trick, so I understand that the penalty against our side should have been 1 trick.

However, I think that the manner in which the opponent notified me about the revoke may have been illegal: I made the revoke at about trick 8. When I played to trick 11, my opponent reached over to my discarded pile, and without asking, turned the cards face up, and then announced that I revoked. I'm a beginner, so I got a bit embarrassed, apologized, and accepted it when he told me that it was a two trick penalty [I checked this afterwards, and think that it should have been one] . I've also no idea if I did actually revoke, as I never was shown the lead to trick 8.

My queries are:

A ) Had he the right the examine my discarded pile

B ) What is the correct procedure in 'replaying' trick 8 (and presumably subsequent tricks) to prove that I did revoke

Many thanks!

[NickRW]

A) No. (Law 7B3)

B ) There is no correct procedure for "replaying" things once the revoke has become established (that is the lead to the next trick has been made, see Law 63) (But a revoke on trick 12 is corrected [and, of course, a revoke at trick 13 is impossible!]).

The correct action is to call the director. This especially applies to beginners who can easily be bullied by more experienced players who think they know the right thing to do, but don't.

Nick

[karlson]

Perhaps this is obvious, but I'd like to assure you that besides being completely wrong about the rules/laws, your opponent sounds like a total jerk.

[barmar]

karlson, on Jul 15 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

Perhaps this is obvious, but I'd like to assure you that besides being completely wrong about the rules/laws, your opponent sounds like a total jerk.

The two often go hand in hand (and not just in bridge).

[bothyhead]

Thank you all for your replies. I was playing with my mum, who told me afterwards that that she thought he was very rude; I just assumed that he was correct. I'll know the next time! Though, hopefully I won't revoke again

[barmar]

bothyhead, on Jul 15 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Thank you all for your replies. I was playing with my mum, who told me afterwards that that she thought he was very rude; I just assumed that he was correct. I'll know the next time! Though, hopefully I won't revoke again

Always listen to your mother.

And keep wishing on that "won't revoke again" thing. World champions do it.

[bluejak]

No player may ever touch another player's cards, except declarer may play dummy's cards if dummy is not present or has a disability.

The actions of this player were rude, illegal, and a disgrace. In future, if anyone suggests you have revoked, whether you have or not, call the TD [Director] yourself. If I had been the TD I would have penalised oyur opponent for

• touching your cards, and
  
• rudeness, and
  
• giving rulings at the table, and
  
• giving wrong rulings in his own favour

all of which are illegal.

[blackshoe]

I would be tempted to give him a separate PP for each offense, but that's probably going to far.

NB: in England, where the "standard" PP is 10% of a top, this would amount to 40%. In the US, the standard PP is 25% of a top, so, well, you do the math.

[Jlall]

Don't be embarassed about revoking, it happens to players of all levels They should be embarassed for there behavior.

[allspice]

A revoke? I play On Line... and I've tried to do some ... Thanks to BBO, (Uday, Fred and the rest) the system does not allow it... if not...
Veru - allspice

[LH2650]

While we are at it, let's not forget Law 66 C - Quitted Tricks

Thereafter, until play ceases, the cards of quitted tricks may not be inspected (except at the Director's specific instruction...)

[JoAnneM]

I know I have revoked ftf because I frequently try to do it online.

You were badly treated and I am glad you seem to have a good attitude about it now. Every game seems to have a few of these people. Best thing is to just say, "stop please", and call the director.

Welcome to bridge, and enjoy your games.