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Is there any difference in the change of call law if screens are being used? Say I put my bid on the tray and a little afterwards I realize I want to change it:
a. before my screenmate makes a call
b. after my screenmate makes a call
c. when I'm the one bidding before the tray goes away but it hasn't gone away
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When using screens Change of call
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Posted 2009-July-16, 04:04
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Posted 2009-July-16, 04:36
I'll let others discuss the law, but there were some interesting views on this topic expressed in this thread on whether to accept a change.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 06:19
Here are the regulations from the CoC for Brazil
Pretty straightforward .........
26.2 Changes to Bids Made
A call placed and released may be changed under the Director's supervision:
a If it is illegal or inadmissible (in which case the change is obligatory), if screens
are in use, as soon as either screenmate is aware of this; or
b If it's determined by the Director to be a call inadvertently selected or
c Under the provisions of Law 25. Under the provisions of Law 25A it should be
noted that if a player's attention is diverted as he makes an unintended call
the 'pause for thought' should be assessed from the moment when he first
recognizes his error.
except that is ............for that deadly "or" in b
What is the point of having b and/or c? What's the difference?
I have to say I just don't understand how I'd make this work as TD. Eg can a change still be made after the tray has gone under the screen?
Pretty straightforward .........
26.2 Changes to Bids Made
A call placed and released may be changed under the Director's supervision:
a If it is illegal or inadmissible (in which case the change is obligatory), if screens
are in use, as soon as either screenmate is aware of this; or
b If it's determined by the Director to be a call inadvertently selected or
c Under the provisions of Law 25. Under the provisions of Law 25A it should be
noted that if a player's attention is diverted as he makes an unintended call
the 'pause for thought' should be assessed from the moment when he first
recognizes his error.
except that is ............for that deadly "or" in b
What is the point of having b and/or c? What's the difference?
I have to say I just don't understand how I'd make this work as TD. Eg can a change still be made after the tray has gone under the screen?
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Posted 2009-July-16, 13:54
I think these regulations also reference (by implication) L25B.
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Posted 2009-July-16, 18:07
You mean, Frances, that they are completely bonkers if they are not referring to Law 25B, Frances? That may be true, but the way they are wreitten is completely bonkers even if they are referencing Law 25B, so that does not really help.
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Posted 2009-July-21, 14:00
I don't think they are completely bonkers. Slightly unclear and a little incomplete, perhaps.
What I believe they are trying to say (ho ho) is
a) An illegal or inadmissible call must be changed (with no penalty) if it is before the tray has gone under the screen.
(There was a recent thread on IBLF about this, because these regulations mean that you don't have the right to accept your screenmate's insufficient bid, which you do playing without screens).
They don't actually mention the 'with no penalty' or the 'before going under the screen bit' of course, hence the 'incomplete' comment.
I agree this is unnecessary. ( and © should be conflated to say
bi) Under the provisions of 25A (and here's some more information on inadvertancy for you)
bii) Under the provisions of 25B
For the L25 corrections it is irrelevant whether the tray has passed under the screen or not.
What I believe they are trying to say (ho ho) is
a) An illegal or inadmissible call must be changed (with no penalty) if it is before the tray has gone under the screen.
(There was a recent thread on IBLF about this, because these regulations mean that you don't have the right to accept your screenmate's insufficient bid, which you do playing without screens).
They don't actually mention the 'with no penalty' or the 'before going under the screen bit' of course, hence the 'incomplete' comment.
I agree this is unnecessary. ( and © should be conflated to saybi) Under the provisions of 25A (and here's some more information on inadvertancy for you)
bii) Under the provisions of 25B
For the L25 corrections it is irrelevant whether the tray has passed under the screen or not.
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