[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g".

Yes it does.

[kfay]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

[jdonn]

kfay, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

I think you missed my point, it may have been too subtle, or not that funny, or both.

[kfay]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

kfay, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

I think you missed my point, it may have been too subtle, or not that funny, or both.

Yes, I missed it.

[ArtK78]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Pardon me. I meant to say "judgment" does not have an "e" directly after the "g."

[ArtK78]

kfay, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

No. "Judgement" is a misspelling of "judgment." Your reference refers to it as a "variant." "Variant," in this context, is a polite term for a common misspelling. You may notice that it is never spelled with the extra "e" when it is used in a sentence even in your reference.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

kfay, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

No. "Judgement" is a misspelling of "judgment." Your reference refers to it as a "variant." "Variant," in this context, is a polite term for a common misspelling.

You are arguing with the dictionary, and I say you are wrong. If it was simply a common misspelling the dictionary would feel no need to mention it.

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You may notice that it is never spelled with the extra "e" when it is used in a sentence even in your reference.

I think you know that proves nothing.

[Apollo81]

I'd guess +300 is as almost as likely as -790, so I'd double.

[zasanya]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

zasanya, on Jul 9 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

When P bids 3♣ isn't he promising some strength ?If he has only ♣ and if he doesn't suck then wouldn't he pull the double?Whom should we trust P or Ops?

What? lol? Partner will pull our double? Who does partner trust, opponents or us?

The first double suggests 12+ hcp and short ♠ and tolerance for other suits.The second double if made should suggest extra strength say 16 with probably an honor in ♠?P also knows that he has shown only 6-9 hcp and opponent have heard his ♣ call and yet they are bidding 4♠ .So he pulls dbl if majority of his hcp are in ♣ and doesnt if he has scattered values with something in red suits.
Does this argument make sense?

[Jlall]

zasanya, on Jul 9 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

zasanya, on Jul 9 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

When P bids 3♣ isn't he promising some strength ?If he has only ♣ and if he doesn't suck then wouldn't he pull the double?Whom should we trust P or Ops?

What? lol? Partner will pull our double? Who does partner trust, opponents or us?

The first double suggests 12+ hcp and short ♠ and tolerance for other suits.The second double if made should suggest extra strength say 16 with probably an honor in ♠?P also knows that he has shown only 6-9 hcp and opponent have heard his ♣ call and yet they are bidding 4♠ .So he pulls dbl if majority of his hcp are in ♣ and doesnt if he has scattered values with something in red suits.
Does this argument make sense?

The second double suggests 4 tricks.

[jdonn]

zasanya, on Jul 9 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

Does this argument make sense?

No. Sorry.

[kfay]

In reply to the OP I don't feel nearly as comfortable as everyone else who is doubling.... unless the 4♠ bidder is some kind of bozo. Not because the odds are bad but it just seems like E has some big pointed suit hand. I definitely wouldn't expect overtricks though if it did make, so the EV odds are there.

I prefer bidding 5♣. Isn't this basically a 2 ways to win problem?

But I certainly wouldn't argue with double unless I were resulting.

[1eyedjack]

5C for me. My hand is balanced but I think that there is a lot of distribution in the other three hands.

[ArtK78]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

kfay, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g". 

Yes it does.

Actually, both are correct.

http://www.merriam-w...onary/judgement

No. "Judgement" is a misspelling of "judgment." Your reference refers to it as a "variant." "Variant," in this context, is a polite term for a common misspelling.

You are arguing with the dictionary, and I say you are wrong. If it was simply a common misspelling the dictionary would feel no need to mention it.

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You may notice that it is never spelled with the extra "e" when it is used in a sentence even in your reference.

I think you know that proves nothing.

You are arguing with a lawyer about the proper spelling of the word "judgment?"

LOL.

[wclass___]

Double.

Why should we do sth abnormal just because opponents bid vulnerable game? Double is surely the most descreptive bid and partner shouldn't expect more from it. Partner also knows about those 200/790 and my double should help him doing his best.

If 4♠ really makes(and partner passes), 5♣ should be at least 500 anyway.

If you always trust vulnerable opponents, 4 trick suggesting double isn't a good agreement. You will hardly ever have AKQJ of trumps...

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Jul 9 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

You are arguing with a lawyer about the proper spelling of the word "judgment?"

LOL.

LOL at me having a chance to win the argument. LOL at you thinking you are right.

[mikeh]

partner is NEVER pulling if we double... and unless rho is a lunatic, he has an expectation of making... and our hand doesn't strongly suggest that he is mistaken... he is (one assumes) bidding on shape... why couldn't he hold AQxxxx xx KQJxx void? Wouldn't we all be happy to bid 4♠ here? Place the heart K on our left, and we have no hope of a plus on defence (or offence for that matter, but any minus in 5♣ will gain against 4♠)

I think this is a good hand on which to fall back on the tried but true philosophy of 'when in doubt, bid one more'.

Having said that, against weak players, double.

[Cascade]

ArtK78, on Jul 10 2009, 04:16 AM, said:

I meant to say "judgment" does not have an "e" directly after the "g."

Correct but "judgement" does and it is a valid word.

[mikeh]

I suppose we should await input from our British posters, but a quick bit of research revealed that judgement is a common form of the word in the UK, to the point that, outside of legal circles (I am not referring to particularly orthodox geometry) it is the more common spelling. It is still limited to a single 'e' in legal writing, and, as I can vouch, it is spelled with the single 'e' in anglo-canadian writings.

[jdonn]

To think this was all brought on by a bad joke.