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Posted 2009-July-07, 02:42

Imp's, R vs W:

You hold:

♠T8xx
♥Ax
♦T9xx
♣9xx

Bidding goes:

Pa Pa 1♥ 2♦
Pa Pa X Pa
???

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-July-07, 03:23

Both choices, 2 ♥ and 2♠ are reasonable. I would choose the later if I would be a better player then my partner.
So my common choice is 2 ♥.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 04:27

I think I try 2♠, nice to be able to ruff diamonds with the short trumps.

BTW I don't think this double should be called a negative double. It's a reopening double (the generic term is t/o double).
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Posted 2009-July-07, 05:17

2H.

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PS: Maybe influenced by the fact, that my partner plays better.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 09:08

2♠. And dare I ask wtp?
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Posted 2009-July-07, 09:40

2♥. Josh ?!
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Posted 2009-July-07, 09:47

2♥... wtp?

A reopening double does not promise 4 spades...and this does not look like a hand that will play well in a moysian... on a bad day, they win the opening lead and attack trumps, successfully... whereas the 5-2 heart fit at least assures us of avoiding disaster.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 10:00

You're all nuts!
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Posted 2009-July-07, 10:24

jdonn, on Jul 7 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

You're all nuts!

And? I thought that was already established :P
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Posted 2009-July-07, 11:15

No, I am normal, I voted 2♠ as well. My psychiatrist would agree with Josh.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 11:22

another 2♥ wtp
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Posted 2009-July-07, 11:25

helene_t, on Jul 7 2009, 12:15 PM, said:

No, I am normal, I voted 2♠ as well. My psychiatrist would agree with Josh.

Hmmmmm....I have met a number of real-life professionals who play bridge... but few medical doctors and no psychiatrists... I suspect they deal with enough abnormal personalities in their day job :P So I don't pay any attention to your psychiatrist's bridge opinion!

As for what to bid... my wtp was partly in jest... but I would bid 2♥, while recognizing that I will be in an inferior spot when partner is 4=5 in the majors and a good spot when he is 3=5, and a wonderful spot (by comparison) when he is 3=6 or, dare we whisper it: a chunky 2=5=2=4... is it written that he cannot reopen with a double with, say, AQ KQxxx xx AQxx? Is he required to defend 2♦ on this? Or to reopen with 3♣?
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Posted 2009-July-07, 11:34

mikeh, on Jul 7 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

but few medical doctors and no psychiatrists... I suspect they deal with enough abnormal personalities in their day job

I used to play at the staff club at a hospital. There were surprisingly few physicians, I think only one. Someone had a theory that they kept away because it would damage their ego to lose to the nurses.

To be fair, Violetta Gugelheim (whom some of you may know) is a physician, and she left the club because the level was too low.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 12:10

agree with mikeh
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Posted 2009-July-07, 13:09

jdonn you're losing it lol
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Posted 2009-July-07, 13:21

Obvious 2S. IMO anything else is a mistake.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 13:21

This depends on how frequently opener is expected to reopen.

If the answer to this question is very frequently then 2♥ is clearly best as there is no presumption of a spade fit.

If on the other hand double is more classical in terms of expected distributions then 2♠ is far more reasonable.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 13:34

I would bid 2♥ and not think anything of it. It's certainly possible 2♠ is a better spot, but 2♥ feels a lot safer.
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Posted 2009-July-07, 13:55

Seems like a 2♠ wtp, but apparently it isn't... :P
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Posted 2009-July-07, 14:20

Jlall, on Jul 7 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

jdonn you're losing it lol

I feel better now.....
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