in the old days if one was ply Acol 12-14 1n/t
if pard opens 1cl--- pass and pard replies 1n/t it = 8-10 points no 4 card major
1 D-- 1n/t = 7-9 points " "
no one ever explained the reason,for the difference
So with todays sys sayc/acol does it still apply regards
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can any one answer this It's an Acol question
#2
Posted 2009-June-21, 08:41
1♣-1NT is 8-10 because with 6-7 you could bid 1♦ (occasionally on less than four diamonds, say 3=3=3=4) planing to pass opener's 1♥ or 1♠ rebid. Thereby you avoid wrongsiding notrump contract, avoid playing 1NT with less than half the points, and avoid coming too high when opener invites with a balanced 15-16 count.
1♦-1NT is 6-9 since with less than 10 you can't bid anything else. With 10 you can bid 2♣. When 1NT is limited to 9 opener doesn't have to invite with 15, which would take you too high when you have 6.
1♦-1NT is 6-9 since with less than 10 you can't bid anything else. With 10 you can bid 2♣. When 1NT is limited to 9 opener doesn't have to invite with 15, which would take you too high when you have 6.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
#3
Posted 2009-June-21, 09:56
lol, I was thinking, "This is the most reasonable post from pirate I've ever seen!"
Then I saw it was posted in interesting bridge hands.
Well played pirate, well played.
Then I saw it was posted in interesting bridge hands.
Well played pirate, well played.
#4
Posted 2009-June-21, 11:40
Playing Acol (ie four-card minors) without inverted raises, holding a 3334 shape and 5-7 points, you can raise 1♣ to 2♣. With a weakish hand there is no reason to think that 1NT will play better than the known 8-card fit. In the UK many players still play the same way.
In Standard American, 2/1, or Acol with inverted raises, many people do as Helene describes, bidding 1♦ on this hand-type. I don't think that was part of old-fashioned Acol.
In Standard American, 2/1, or Acol with inverted raises, many people do as Helene describes, bidding 1♦ on this hand-type. I don't think that was part of old-fashioned Acol.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
#5
Posted 2009-June-22, 04:29
a small further comment--without inverted raises,would Sayc today know
1cl (can be short)- p- pard 1n/t= 8-10 no 4 c major etc, also 1d-p-1nt=7/9,??
and agree Sayc 2/1 the 1 n/t has other meanings,as in precision
regards
1cl (can be short)- p- pard 1n/t= 8-10 no 4 c major etc, also 1d-p-1nt=7/9,??
and agree Sayc 2/1 the 1 n/t has other meanings,as in precision
regards
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