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Posted 2009-June-11, 04:43

Scoring: IMP

P 3 p 3
X p p p
Sitting south, what do you reckon pard's double shows, and what should you bid?
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Posted 2009-June-11, 04:45

Partner shows a good hand (in context) with lots of spades and diamonds. I bid 4.

Normally this double should show a takeout double of clubs but as a passed hand and on the 3 level, it is an unnecessary target to unmask their psyche.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 04:48

Edit: Csaba is right, I didn't notice that p was a passed hand.

This double is t/o of clubs. It is not related to the heart suit although it will typically have 3-4 hearts like a double of a 3 opening.

The idea is that 3 may be a psych (in which case it would be nice to have a dbl to show hearts), or it may be a genuine bid based on a club fit plus a heart suit (in which case it would be nice to have a dbl to show the spades+diamonds). You can't have it both ways but defining it as t/o of club is reasonable flexible. If you have a spade-diamonds two-suiter you would have to try 4. With long hearts you would have to pass, maybe you can come in with either a dbl or a 4 bid next round.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 04:58

Thanks. I didn't think it through and passed it out :( Don't know why, maybe reluctant to bid 4 with a poor hand over the passed hand X.

Pard held the following, and we got mullered.


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Posted 2009-June-11, 05:32

el mister, on Jun 11 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P 3 p 3
X p    p  p
Sitting south, what do you reckon pard's double shows, and what should you bid?


Take out
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 15:35

Yes Ron, wait for the solution and then lurk in to join with the experts. :)

j/k
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Posted 2009-June-14, 18:19

gwnn, on Jun 15 2009, 04:35 AM, said:

Yes Ron, wait for the solution and then lurk in to join with the experts. :P

j/k

:)
Maybe i should have said penalty, Csaba.
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