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3 card support how far?

#1 User is offline   vuroth 

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Posted 2009-June-12, 05:06

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You guys have talked me into 2 when I've got 3 card support and a side singleton, and it's been working out well for me.

Should I stretch a bit to 2 here? Should I just pass? Don't think I'm fond of 1NT....
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Posted 2009-June-12, 05:17

What would double show for you?
To me it shows 3 hearts, so it would fit perfectly.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 05:37

Yes, dbl probably shows 3-card support. If you can't double with this hand, bid 2.

Without the 1 overcall I wouldn't raise hearts with this hand but many forum posters do.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 06:01

Hi,

Show the 3 hearts, either via double or via a raise.

Given your spade length, pass is an option, because
if you pass, the auction wont end, because partner will
be short in spade and should reopen, but if the guy, who
overcalled 1S bids 2S showing the 3 hearts will be a lot
more problematic.

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Posted 2009-June-12, 06:17

Like the others said, you should make use of supportive double (and redouble).

If I don't have that, I'd pass with 4 spades as in your case, but would bid 2 with 2 or 3 spades as I'd have less defense in my hand.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 06:54

2 (or a support double) has the advantage that from that point onwards the hand is well described, so you can happily let partner make the mistake later.

If you pass then you have shown your minimum strength, but you have concealed your heart support. You might feel you want to, or actually do end up bidding later on in the auction because of the AKQ, and it is almost always better to get in early with support and then shut up, rather than the other way around.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 07:42

When opponents have interfered, it is standard practice for Dbl to mean "I have 3-card support". Lacking this agreement I would simply Pass with a weak NT and no stopper.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 07:55

I make a support double. Failing that I would bid 2. Without the overcall I bid 1NT.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 07:57

If not playing support doubles, I would pass. This does not look like a hand screaming to play in a Moysian.
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Posted 2009-June-12, 14:01

i love 2H here
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Posted 2009-June-12, 14:06

If I can't support double I think 2 is beyond obvious. AKQ, a 14 count, no spade honors, and a doubleton?
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Posted 2009-June-12, 14:29

If I could choose between 2 and double, I'd choose double.

I have first hand knowledge about hands like this raising on the premise that "this looks like four trump"and its worked out poorly.

The problem raising is that we sometimes will have to ruff in this hand and our high trump might as well be a low one. Also, partner may misjudge our combined fit based on four trump and overcompete.
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Posted 2009-June-13, 03:50

Yep support double. If it isn't available, then I like 2H. Purity values and a doubleton.
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