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#1 User is offline   rfedrick 

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Posted 2009-June-02, 06:08

Scoring: IMP


(2♥)-X-(4♥)-4♠; (P)-?

Do you move? If so, how?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 06:10

5N pick a slam
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Posted 2009-June-02, 06:17

helene_t, on Jun 2 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

5N pick a slam

I can't say for certain (i was East on this deal), but i strongly suspect that for the pair in question that would be the GSF.

Which doesn't necessarily mean it's the wrong bid, of course.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:00

I would cuebid first and then bid 5NT pick a slam over the expected 5♠ response. If partner happens to bid something other than 5♠ over 5♥, I'm raising it to grand.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:28

/me steals helene's idea
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:41

helene_t, on Jun 3 2009, 12:10 AM, said:

5N pick a slam

This won't be good if partner thinks you have something in hearts and picks 6NT.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:47

It could also be bad if partner thinks that it is a spade raise without a heart control.

More seriously, why would partner think that? We have made a takeout double and the opponents have bid 4H, obviously not on a lot of highcards. I can't imagine partner bidding 6NT on this auction.

I would bid 5H btw, not 5NT.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:47

Cascade, on Jun 2 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jun 3 2009, 12:10 AM, said:

5N pick a slam

This won't be good if partner thinks you have something in hearts and picks 6NT.

Why would he ever think such a thing and take a chance on a higher strain than has been mentioned? 5NT seems obvious to me, I see nothing better.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:53

Does anyone have any agreement about 6♥ on this sort of auction?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 16:39

5NT. Do people really play GSF here?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 18:48

Grand Slam Force? What?!?!?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 18:50

Sorry to change the topic from a perhaps interesting problem, but why is it called grand slam force anyway when it's really just the opposite, a grand slam invitation?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 18:59

Cascade, on Jun 2 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

Does anyone have any agreement about 6♥ on this sort of auction?

Uh, yes.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 19:12

jdonn, on Jun 2 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

Sorry to change the topic from a perhaps interesting problem, but why is it called grand slam force anyway when it's really just the opposite, a grand slam invitation?

I always wondered that as well. But, I think the idea is that the bid is a forcing bid.
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Posted 2009-June-03, 13:15

kenrexford, on Jun 3 2009, 03:12 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 2 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

Sorry to change the topic from a perhaps interesting problem, but why is it called grand slam force anyway when it's really just the opposite, a grand slam invitation?

I always wondered that as well. But, I think the idea is that the bid is a forcing bid.

Actually, I'm used to calling that convention Josephine, not GSF (which I too think is an extremely stupid name....)
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Posted 2009-June-03, 15:34

Even jdonn wouldn't pass!
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Posted 2009-June-03, 22:47

I like the 5H then 5N idea if we've discussed it. If not, 5N pick a slam for me.

See this thread for discussion of similar theme.
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Posted 2009-June-04, 21:45

direct 5NT vs 5♥ than 5NT

what's the difference? heart control?
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Posted 2009-June-04, 22:05

hackenbush, on Jun 3 2009, 05:39 AM, said:

5NT. Do people really play GSF here?

Yes. Why not when you have other ways to show your hand?
I would bid 5H.
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Posted 2009-June-04, 22:30

jdonn, on Jun 2 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

Sorry to change the topic from a perhaps interesting problem, but why is it called grand slam force anyway when it's really just the opposite, a grand slam invitation?

Just a guess - it's probably called that because at the time it was invented, 5NT was not considered a forcing bid. The author probably meant "the grand-slam oriented one-round force".
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