[gwnn]

Hi

Has anyone tried

1x-1... (even 1S-1N)
3x=forcing (i.e. something like an acol 2)?

a (knowledgeable) partner of mine claims it's a very good agreement. With a classical jump you either bid 2x, 2NT, 3NT, or 3x anyway. Partner is supposed to raise 2x on a bit less than he used to.

I was a sceptic and refused to agree to it, but I'm curious about other people's experiences.

[whereagles]

Actually, I'm using

1x 1y
3x = non-forcing

1x 1y
2NT = strong 2 in x

It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19.

[helene_t]

Just a thought: the 2m rebid should then deny a minimum hand that would be embarrassed to play 3m opposite a minimum invite and a misfit. I.e. the suit must be very good, or the hand must be strong enough to accept a (light) invite. With a minimum with a mediocre 6-card, rebid 1NT.

[Cascade]

whereagles, on May 14 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

Actually, I'm using

1x 1y
3x = non-forcing

1x 1y
2NT = strong 2 in x

It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19.

Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL

[Cascade]

We play

1M 1NT
3M as forcing

invites go through 2♣ Gazilli.

1x 1y
3x = limited but three cards in y

1x 1y
2NT = unlimited forcing without three cards in y

1x 1y
3NT/4x = are both three cards in y better than 3x depending on how much you want to go past 3NT

[whereagles]

Cascade, on May 14 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

whereagles, on May 14 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19.

Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL

Right. But it is totally out of the question I need 2♣ and 2♦ as natural preempts.

[the hog]

However Nuno, you could play the 2NT rebid as 18-19, OR strong 2, with 3C now a relay. Pepsi and partner played this.

[Cascade]

whereagles, on May 14 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

Cascade, on May 14 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

whereagles, on May 14 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19.

Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL

Right. But it is totally out of the question I need 2♣ and 2♦ as natural preempts.

of course you do my bad

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on May 14 2009, 11:19 AM, said:

However Nuno, you could play the 2NT rebid as 18-19, OR strong 2, with 3C now a relay. Pepsi and partner played this.

That is one of the possibilities, yes. However, I try to keep "tutti-fruti" bids to the minimum possible

One minor problem with this is the bid is forcing. Responder can't pass 2NT with a bare min (as in, 4 or 5 hcp), which he might wish to do if he knew 2NT was the flattish variant.

[ArtK78]

I have been advocating a jump rebid in a minor suit as forcing for some time.

[jdonn]

It seems silly to me. At the table I always used to say I have never seen a 'fake jump shift' work out badly, ever. At least that's what I used to say until last weekend when my opponents had this auction:

1♥ 1NT
3♦ 4♦
4♥ 6♦
6♥

And opener had QJ9 AQT8xx AK Qx with responder holding x - T987xxx AKJxx. Obviously if you make a bid on a dumb hand for it, then do silly things later, no bid will work out well. I hardly blame the method...

The costs of playing the 3m rebid game forcing, as well as the reduced frequency, make it a very bad method imo.

[hanp]

I wouldn't know what to do with a 6331 16-count.

[cherdanno]

I think it's terrible unless you play an artifical 2♣ rebid (or 2♦ after you opened 1♣).

[shevek]

jdonn, on May 14 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

It seems silly to me. At the table I always used to say I have never seen a 'fake jump shift' work out badly, ever. At least that's what I used to say until last weekend when my opponents had this auction:

1♥ 1NT
3♦ 4♦
4♥ 6♦
6♥

And opener had QJ9 AQT8xx AK Qx with responder holding x - T987xxx AKJxx. Obviously if you make a bid on a dumb hand for it, then do silly things later, no bid will work out well. I hardly blame the method...

The costs of playing the 3m rebid game forcing, as well as the reduced frequency, make it a very bad method imo.

If diamonds were 2-2, 3♦ worked very well, up to a point.

[DinDIP]

In KS (Kaplan-Sheinwold) opener's jump rebid in his opening suit is GF except after a 1N response. With GI hands O reverses into strength (not always length). This is a long-established method, used successfully in major North American and world championships for many years. It's not so popular now but there remains a core of adherants. (If you're interested in KS as a system then join the KS discussion group on Google.)

David

[CSGibson]

I'm playing a jump rebid in a major as forcing in one partnership. We play intermediate 2 bids (9-14) in the majors, though, so we can afford to make 1♥-1♠-2♥ the hands that would normally jump to 3♥ in standard, and, subsequently, 1♥-1♠-3♥ as forcing. The jump rebid hasn't come up in the three months we've been playing it, nor has the jump shift auctions that are the auctions that gain on clarity. The intermediate 2 bids, however, have been a big winner, as we have been getting 500s & 800s in part score hands when opps have taken the wrong moment to intervene.