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#1 User is offline   H_KARLUK 

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Posted 2009-May-28, 23:42

Table 1
Opps silent
Partner                  You
2♣(22+ any)     2♦(Waiting bid)
2NT                   3♣(stayman)
3♦(no 4 card majors)      ?

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Table 2
Opps also silent
Partner                   You
2♣                          2♥(two controls: ace=2, king =1)
2NT(balanced)        3♠
3NT                          ?

What calls do you make and why please?
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Posted 2009-May-29, 00:49

I would pass 3 NT in both cases.

Yes, we may fail in 3 NT with the heart suit wide open while we may have a grand slam in a minor.

But I have no minor suit stayman in my tool box, with this tool I had searched for 5 or 6 of the right minor.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 01:11

Was 2NT limited?
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Posted 2009-May-29, 01:20

Hi,

3NT and Pass.

#1 The main problem it seems, is that opener is still
unlimited.
If you want to discover 4-4 fits in the minors, there
are certainly systems after a 2NT opener out there,
which will help you.

#2 I dont play the methods, but I would say, that 3C
after 2NT should be Stayman.
As it is you showed your strength, you showed your
major, pass is clear.

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Posted 2009-May-29, 05:13

Cascade, on May 29 2009, 03:11 AM, said:

Was 2NT limited?

2N=22-24; 3N=25-27; 4N=28+ Bal.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 05:37

No good science in these auctions.

There is good science possible, though. Using a two-way strong opening structure of one type, Opener's 2♣ option would deny four spades (otherwise, open 2♦). 2NT, then, would show a balanced hand without four spades. In that event, your lack of need to explore spade contracts in the same way would and does enable more minor-suit exploration. For instance, 3♥ becomes a club flag and 3♠ a diamond flag; you can handle long spades for Responder through 3♣ easily if spades are out as 4+ suits. So, you could bid a simple 3♥ to show a club suit and either probish or slammish and see what partner does. If partner bids 3♠, a reciprocal flag showing diamonds (in case you have both minors, as you do), you raise diamonds.

If the focus of delayed 2NT openings was on shape concerns rather than tight little HCP ranges, the same end result would be possible. The partnership could easily play that 2♣-P-2♦-P-2NT shows 22+ with 4-5 spades and that 2♣-P-2♦-P-2♥(Shape-Kokish)-P-2♠-P-2NT shows 22+ with 2-3 spades. Defining length of one suit enables the partnership to restructure Responder's options so as to make better use of the space between 2NT and 3NT. That would enable this sort of sequence.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 06:27

After 2NT I like playing 3NT Baron. With only two Kings in front of the 22-23 HCP balanced hand a small slam doesn't look that good. Bidding would go:

2♣ 2♦
2NT 3NT (Baron)
4m (this is my first 4-card suit) 5m
Pass! (6m is more likely, though it should be bid by responder, so who knows...)

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-May-29, 11:14

Haven't you warned of some short so fearing 3NT? Partner decided he fears no non-spade suit and wants no 6m try. You're done. Gave a good description of your hand. Got partner's decision.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 11:16

Scoring: IMP


Tb 1 3NT
Nearly hopeless game.
Tb 2 6C
Virtually laydown slam.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 11:33

2NT by partner is probably a misbid.

2♣ 2♦
3♣ looks more like it.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-May-29, 11:38

Hanoi5, on May 29 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

2NT by partner is probably a misbid.

2♣ 2♦
3♣ looks more like it.

At first sight I could not get th reasoning behind it. It was early 1987. Both pairs were 'Big Boys'. They still are.
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Posted 2009-May-29, 12:27

H_KARLUK, on May 29 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Cascade, on May 29 2009, 03:11 AM, said:

Was 2NT limited?

2N=22-24; 3N=25-27; 4N=28+ Bal.

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