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Bidding with the minors

Poll: What's your plan? (42 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your plan?

  1. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Overcall 2D (8 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  3. Overcall 2NT (minors) and pass 3m (2 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  4. Overcall 2NT (minors) and bid over 3m (25 votes [59.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.52%

  5. Overcall 4NT (minors) (7 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  6. Some psych (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-May-26, 16:55

N's 6♦ is nuts I think.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 16:58

I think we can easily construct a hand where the 2♦ overcall wrong sides the hand e.g. swap the ♥K and ♥Q and the defense to have any chance need west on lead - sure we might not get the heart lead from west but the problem is still there in theory.

So I think it is just lucky or unlucky that this contract happens to make from one side but not the other.

6♦ seems like a crazy bid. Or maybe 3♦ is the crazy bid. Or maybe both. If you are worth 6♦ later without partner inviting then we are not worth 3♦ the first time.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 17:07

There is no doubt that combination of 3♦ and 6♦ must be crazy. Take your pick which, or both.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 17:08

Minors are well known to be optimistic bidders, so it is no surprise that we got too high.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 17:09

The obvious auction is (1♠) 2NT-3♦; 4♦-5♦. You want to be in this - it's just unlucky that opener doesn't have ♦K.

As for playing it from South to get the ignorant hand on lead, imagine that North had Axxx Kxx QJ10 xxx. Now which way would you like to play it?
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Posted 2009-May-26, 20:08

100% agreement with gnasher on both points- at least one of us must be crazy!

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Posted 2009-May-27, 03:46

200% agreement with gnasher :)
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Posted 2009-May-27, 03:58

jdonn, on May 26 2009, 06:07 PM, said:

There is no doubt that combination of 3♦ and 6♦ must be crazy. Take your pick which, or both.

Is that so clear?

Some (not I) have a "weak or strong" approach to 2NT, Michaels etc., and in that context bidding 3♦ then 6♦ seems possible to me.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 06:43

Why not use a cue of 3 hearts or 3 spades and then partner can end in 3NT which has as good chance of making as 5D but as it turns out shouldn't make with spade lead then heart switch.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 06:54

Recently I discussed 2-suiters with my partner, and also with my bridge lesson group. This hand would be the intermediate hand type that starts with 2♦ (at this vulnerability).

On your actual hand this would work like this:

1♠ 2♦ 2♠ 2NT*
Pass

* Good ♦ raise

After this you'll be in game, but the question is which one, 3NT or 5♦. Both will be down on good defense (lead ♠K and switch to ♥ for 3NT).

Undiscussed I would probably bid 2NT and bid again, I guess.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 12:20

Agree that 2NT then 4D is best.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 14:07

What hand are we worried will pass 4D so that we're bidding 5D? Seriously I was deciding whether or not to pass 3D (decided on 4D), I think 5 was way too much.
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Posted 2009-May-27, 17:17

I thought 4NT was blackwood and 4♠ was minors.... although maybe it's better to reverse that.
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Posted 2009-May-28, 02:36

kfay, on May 27 2009, 11:17 PM, said:

I thought 4NT was blackwood and 4♠ was minors.... although maybe it's better to reverse that.

Those bids are whatever you agree with pard, although I must say everytime I saw one such 4NT overcall, it was for the minors B)

4♠ as blackwood would not occur to me. Odds that you have such a bid over 1♠ are like 0.0001 at best and even then you could double + bid 4NT.

4♠ is better used as hearts + minor (66, ~11 playing tricks) or even as NATURAL, anti-psyche bid :)
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Posted 2009-May-28, 03:30

I did once see a 4NT overcall used as a specific ace-ask, like a 4NT opening. Astonishingly, it was interpreted correctly. Even more astonishingly, this was at rubber bridge.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-28, 03:48

i bet responder had no aces.. lol
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