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Too many questions for 1 hand. psych control ?

#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2009-May-23, 20:25

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Table 1

2S----(P)------2Nt!------(P)
3S!---(P)-------P--------(4H) Making

2nt is ogust type and show at least 2 trumps.

3S is showing a pretty good hand (but 3Nt and 4 level response are available to show a even better hand according to south)

Ns play sound opening bids.

Do you agree with 2S ?

Does south has the right to bid 2Nt (if responder can bid over 3S) or is it a psych control ? (here forget that north hold a super maximum and bid only 3S)


Does west should X 2nt ?

What do you think of the 4H bid ?



Table 2

1S-------(P)---------P--------(X)
P--------(2D)-------p--------(2H)
P---------(2S)------P--------(3S)
----------(3Nt)


Agree with the double or do you bid 2H ?

Do you like the 2D bid ? What would you have bid ?

Is 2S Gf forcing ?

Do you like 3S ?

Assuming West rebid 3Nt instead of 3S do you think the contract will make ?
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Posted 2009-May-23, 21:53

Table 1: I actually think that 2N is pretty sound. He was unfortunate to have his partner have such a good hand, because it exposed his own hand as a bluff. LHO decided to call the bluff with 4 hearts instead of double or 3N, which makes sense because when opponents monkey like this they are often trying to keep out hearts.

If 2 spades falls within the range of their agreements, then it's a good bid. If it doesn't, then it's not a good bid. Without knowing their agreements, it's hard for me to judge the bidding. I also don't blame West for waiting to see where the auction went before acting.


As for the 2nd table, I agree with X mostly because I'm in the balancing seat. 2 spades should be game forcing, but I like 3 diamonds as a better discription of S's hand. S should be the one to declare NT, because LHO should be encouraged to lead from his strength. Assuming a spade lead through the Ax hand, this should not make.
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Posted 2009-May-23, 23:58

West's pass at table 1 is beyond words I am in the mood to use.
West's 3S bid at table 2 is also bad. Yes 2 is game forcing, but regardless, why on earth would West not show his fit with 3? Only alternative is some number of NT, but not 3S, forcing to wrong-side.
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Posted 2009-May-24, 09:39

Table 1: If you opened 2, your rebid is 3. No "super-maximum" allowed to jump to 4. If you want to do that, rethink your first bid.

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Posted 2009-May-24, 11:19

The first hand is a standard case for discussion. Main point is: it depends on what 2NT shows, not what it asks. So if it just shows 2+, it's obviously allowed. If it shows a good hand, then it's a psych (and since this probably happens relatively frequently they should change their explanations of the 2NT bid).

Psychs are allowed, so bidding 2NT is pretty much always allowed unless you're known to do this psych and 2NT shows a good hand.
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Posted 2009-May-24, 16:04

1) West should just make the bid he would always make against a spade-bidding opposition. If he feels strong enough to X then bid , he does so, otherwise he bids 3. He shouldn't be pushed around like this.

2) Bidding 3 instead of 3 seems canonical. Why not support partner with primary fit?
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Posted 2009-May-24, 16:49

In the second auction, I expect West didn't bid 3 because he wasn't sure if it was forcing. It's not exactly an everyday sequence.

Having bid 3 because of this uncertainty, however, I think West should remove 3NT to 4, offering a choice of red suits. East can't have a great spade stop, because he bid 2 rather than 2/3NT.
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Posted 2009-May-24, 21:26

I hate 2S, either 1 or 3 but not 2 at these colors.

I psych 2Nt quite quicly without thinking too much about it. Ill have to ask to an experienced director if its legal. I think passing 2NT is a big joke.
Partner rebid 3S because he didnt know that he could show a stiff with a super hand.

I think 4H is a flyer, why not double ?

At the other table X is clearcut the hand is too strong for 2H. I would have rebid 1Nt not 2m because i feel that 2m is too likely to miss game. After 2H, 2S is completly GF. West 3S is just bad you want opener to lead. I have no preference between 3Nt and 3D.

I think that even if 3Nt is played by west north will lead a low spade, 9,T and it will go down.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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