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#1 User is offline   hanp 

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Posted 2009-May-16, 23:37

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A9xxx

Partner opens 1S, your call?

1NT is semi-forcing, 2D is GF and 3D is invitational with 6+ diamonds.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-16, 23:45

hanp, on May 17 2009, 12:37 AM, said:

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A9xxx

Partner opens 1S, your call?

1NT is semi-forcing, 2D is GF and 3D is invitational with 6+ diamonds.

I'll try 1nt but.....np if you prefer other.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 00:02

1N obv. I will bid 3D over 2major. Sometimes pard bids 2C!
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Posted 2009-May-17, 03:05

1NT
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Posted 2009-May-17, 06:20

1NT.

2NT if I already passed -- shows this (for me).
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Posted 2009-May-17, 06:28

1NT
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Posted 2009-May-17, 06:46

Justin's plan seems canonical. Are there any alternatives? Oh well passing a 2 rebid might sometimes work.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 09:04

3 is the knee-jerk call. but 1N is best since you might hear clubs. This hand isn't great and a potential misfit looms.

We aren't broke when we bid 3 over 2. And over 2, a misfit is looming.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 10:04

kenrexford, on May 17 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

1NT.

2NT if I already passed -- shows this (for me).

If you are a passed hand, the "2D being gf" would not apply, so the poser of this problem must not have been a passed hand. 2NT would have been Hardy's choice as a passed hand -- and is great if our system is complicated by Drury implications.

However, if not -- then 2D as a one-round force by a passed hand can handle this collection, and the 2NT response can show a slightly weaker version of both minors.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 11:32

invitational 2 suiters is the hole in most systems. I'd just forget about clubs and try 3.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 11:39

aguahombre, on May 17 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

kenrexford, on May 17 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

1NT.

2NT if I already passed -- shows this (for me).

If you are a passed hand, the "2D being gf" would not apply, so the poser of this problem must not have been a passed hand. 2NT would have been Hardy's choice as a passed hand -- and is great if our system is complicated by Drury implications.

However, if not -- then 2D as a one-round force by a passed hand can handle this collection, and the 2NT response can show a slightly weaker version of both minors.

Well, that's the rub -- Drury complications.

And, to be a smartass, which is so unexpected of me, you COULD play that 2 is GF Drury, even by a passed hand.

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Posted 2009-May-17, 13:44

GF Drury is wrong. The higher you open 1st/2nd seat, the lower pard will open in 3rd/4th, so it's a break even situation.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:38

whereagles, on May 17 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

GF Drury is wrong. The higher you open 1st/2nd seat, the lower pard will open in 3rd/4th, so it's a break even situation.

What? Are you telling me that there is no hand where you'd pass initially but then insist on game, making or not, in a major partner opened? I'd imagine that there are some where I'd insist game even if he showed me his hand.

Of course, playing GF Drury would be retarded, but that's not critical to the inane discussion to date.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:24

kenrexford, on May 17 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

Are you telling me that there is no hand where you'd pass initially but then insist on game, making or not, in a major partner opened?

No. I'm telling you there's no passed hand with which I would insist on game and start with Drury.
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