[Winstonm]

kenrexford, on May 16 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 15 2009, 11:55 PM, said:

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Well, maybe 3♣ doesn't actually promise two of the top three honors. I'm trying to find out what standard is

5NT - I don't care what standard is. I want to know what PARTNER thinks standard is.

That's the best answer yet. Except, unless partner doesn't know what 5NT means.

Actually, worse than that because partner is a BBO forum regular who knows not only what 5N means but is certain that you already knew he held the AK for his 3C bid so your 5N must be asking something else - like, do you also hold the Jack?

Being wise beyond his years - and noticing there is no missing Jack in with his spades, and thus realizing that he indeed is one Jack off, he confidently places the 6C card in front of himself.

And now you know what Standard is.....

[ArtK78]

Having read all of the posts, there seems to be a consensus that "standard" is 2 of the top 3 honors for a positive suit response to a 2♣ opening bid. If this is true, and you know that your partner is aware of this, then 7♣ is the obvious "one-bid" answer to the question posed in the original post.

But, from the manner in which the original post was phrased, it is clear that it is NOT known that partner knows that his 3♣ response to 2♣ shows 2 of the top 3 honors in clubs.

Furthermore, if others in the club have this "standard" agreement, how can the OP state that no one will bid a grand on this hand? There are many ways to uncover a club fit and find out that partner has two key cards with clubs as trump. Or, if a spade fit is found, there are many ways to find out that partner has the AK of clubs.

If one "knows" that no one at the club is going to bid a grand on these cards, then there must be a reason. That is why I settle on 6♣. 7♣ is a top or bottom bid. Without assurance that partner has the AK of clubs, I will not bid the grand.

[skjaeran]

ArtK78, on May 16 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

Having read all of the posts, there seems to be a consensus that "standard" is 2 of the top 3 honors for a positive suit response to a 2♣ opening bid.

Not for me. KJTxxx/AJTxxx is the minimum suit quality. That's why holding QT9 I can place partner with at least AK.

[kenrexford]

ArtK78, on May 16 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Furthermore, if others in the club have this "standard" agreement, how can the OP state that no one will bid a grand on this hand? There are many ways to uncover a club fit and find out that partner has two key cards with clubs as trump. Or, if a spade fit is found, there are many ways to find out that partner has the AK of clubs.

If one "knows" that no one at the club is going to bid a grand on these cards, then there must be a reason.

...then there must be a reason...

Have you ever played in a club game?

[jmcw]

5NT what else?