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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-May-10, 10:57

Kxxx
KQxx
A9xxx
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Unfav Mp's

1NT-p-2♣-x
xx-2♦-X-p
p-3♣-???

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Posted 2009-May-10, 11:00

Double, partner showed 5 clubs.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 13:26

I more or less agree with Han, but:

Pass, partner can bid his own hand. (Works better if partner didn't have 5 clubs. :))

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Posted 2009-May-10, 14:57

Pass and let partner decide. He probably should double.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-May-11, 01:01

pass obv.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 01:33

Easier to take 6 tricks in clubs than to take 8 tricks in clubs? Double.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 06:09

Agree with pass. A dbl by us should show at least a singleton there.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 08:37

pard had

AQJ9
ATx
xx
A9xx

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Posted 2009-May-14, 10:50

gwnn, on May 14 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

pard had

AQJ9
ATx
xx
A9xx

How would you have bid this pretty good slam?

xx? Did you have a special agreement here?

By the way I pass 3♣. We are in a forcing sequence. I don't need to bid pard's hand.

Yes I'm aware that we have extras.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 12:01

Apparently we do need to bid partner's hand because partner sure isn't doing it!

I don't understand why we would pass. We know what partner has (clubs), partner does not know what we have (points). Maybe it is best to play pass NF, I cannot imagine partner bidding over 3C after having redoubled 2C.

Of course, I am assuming that we are not playing with a complete beginner.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 12:43

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gwnn, on May 14 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

How would you have bid this pretty good slam?

1NT 2♣ (dbl)
2♠ 4♣
4♥ 4♠
5♣ 5♦
6♠
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-14, 12:46

gwnn, on May 14 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

pard had

AQJ9
ATx
xx
A9xx

How would you have bid this pretty good slam?

By making the normal response to Stayman. (Do I need to say that that should be 2♠?) After: 1NT-Pass-2♣-X; 2♠-Pass-4♣ we are pretty much in slam already.

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Posted 2009-May-14, 12:48

hanp, on May 14 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

I don't understand why we would pass. We know what partner has (clubs), partner does not know what we have (points).

Yes, partner does know we have a good hand when we doubled 2♦ for penalty. While 2♣ could have been meant as garbage stayman that hand would not make any free bids later. Otherwise, all our stayman hands show at least invitational values.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 13:01

We can't double 2D with an 8-count? 7-count? Partner has clubs behind the club doubler, we have diamonds behind the diamond bidder and they have a misfit. No way partner knows that we have a big hand and they are about to get slaughtered.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 14:18

hanp, on May 14 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

We can't double 2D with an 8-count? 7-count? Partner has clubs behind the club doubler, we have diamonds behind the diamond bidder and they have a misfit. No way partner knows that we have a big hand and they are about to get slaughtered.

Let's start with the premise that this auction is a train wreck. Redoubling with A9xx is a joke.

Clearly we are in a forcing auction and its not because partner doubled 2♣. It's because I hit 2♦. I am not as concerned about taking 3♣ for a ride to 500 or 800 land. I'm concerned about missing slam.

If anything, I think you can make the argument (I suppose I am), that my double of 3♣ is a relatively weak action, in the framework of a forcing pass sequence.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 21:21

Worried about missing slam? We have a combined 26-28 count and we have a misfit, partner has shown length and values in the suit where we are void. Partner is very unlikely to have a 4-card major and RHO has bid our 5-card suit. I wonder if you had been worried about slam if you hadn't seen the hand that partner held when he doubled.
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Posted 2009-May-14, 21:42

gnasher, on May 15 2009, 06:43 AM, said:

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gwnn, on May 14 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

How would you have bid this pretty good slam?

1NT 3♦ - no double now :P
3♠ 4♣ (let them double after we have found our fit)
XX 4♦
4♥ 4♠
4NT 5♥
6♠

3♦ diamonds short clubs might have a major

4♣ spade fit and extras - please cue

XX first round control (Ace given the shortage shown and NT opening)

4♦ 1st/2nd

4♥ 1st/2nd

4NT RKCB

5♥ 2 without

6♠ Don't investigate grand since responder is limited after 4♠

With a lead directing double ...

1NT 3♦
3♠ 4♣
4♥ 4♠
5♣ 5♦
6♠

5♣ extras and ♣A
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Posted 2009-May-15, 02:47

Well.. if pard redoubled 2♣ with A9xx and an obvious 2♠ spade bid, it's not gonna be an easy slam to bid :)
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