[benlessard]

over a 1M 3rd or 4th seat opening what is the best use of a 2nt response.

Does it matter if you play 2 way drury or not ?

[Echognome]

Best use? Obviously depends on what the rest of your system is.

Phil and I choose to play P - 1M; 3m as a fit jump. We also play 2♣ as drury. Therefore, we need a bid for a hand with long clubs and less then opening values and that's what we have assigned to 2NT.

I think it should be used as a bid that fits best within the context of your other bids.

[dake50]

Do all raises go Drury? Jacoby after Drury if needed? Then max pass with stops.

[dicklont]

I play Drury with 2NT showing 5 cards in openers major and limit values.

[rbforster]

It sort of depends on what other 3 level bids would be. Hardy suggests 5/5 minors and a max PH for 2N, noting that a balanced max PH should bid 1N(semiforcing) to avoid hanging partner if he opened a little light.

If you've got a weak 2♦ available in 1st/2nd and want to handle the equivalent passed club hand, you might consider:

P-1♠-?

1N semiforcing, including maximum balanced hands without support (which will bid again unless passed, usually 2N)
2♣ natural, 6+ or 5+ and a good suit, ~8-12
2♦ Drury
2♥ 5 cards and a max PH
2N 5/5 minors max PH
3X fit jump in support of spades
3♠ very good passed hand, worth at least opening strength in support of spades

[kfay]

dicklont, on May 14 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

I play Drury with 2NT showing 5 cards in openers major and limit values.

Some people around here play that treatment. They probably play 3♣ as natural.

Playing the way Phil and Matt do... 2NT is much better to show clubs I've come to believe.

[aguahombre]

Rob F, on May 14 2009, 08:25 AM, said:

It sort of depends on what other 3 level bids would be.  Hardy suggests 5/5 minors and a max PH for 2N, noting that a balanced max PH should bid 1N(semiforcing) to avoid hanging partner if he opened a little light.

If you've got a weak 2♦ available in 1st/2nd and want to handle the equivalent passed club hand, you might consider:

P-1♠-?

1N semiforcing, including maximum balanced hands without support (which will bid again unless passed, usually 2N)
2♣ natural, 6+ or 5+ and a good suit, ~8-12
2♦ Drury
2♥ 5 cards and a max PH
2N 5/5 minors max PH
3X fit jump in support of spades
3♠ very good passed hand, worth at least opening strength in support of spades

Nice structure. Here is another one, if your 1NT by a passed hand is still forcing, and if 2/1 by a passed hand is a one-round force, AND if you dont play Drury or Bergen --in other words, old fashioned 2/1.

2NT can be minors but less than Hardy suggested. (with Max, just bid the 2 suits)
3C or 3D long and weak, but not broke (pass is available).
2H--natural and max pass
3S--same limit raise agreement as you have if unpassed.
1NT--same hands you could have if unpassed.

[kenrexford]

I also do something sexier with 2NT.

P-1♠-?

2NT = minors (max pass) 5-5
3minor = this plus hearts (max pass) 5-5
3♥ = spade raise

P-1♥-?
2♠ = spades plus minor
2NT = minors
3minor = heart raises