[whereagles]

Matchpoints, none vuln, you hold:

♠ Q
♥ 543
♦ AT8742
♣ A87

Pard LHO you RHO
1♠ ... 2♣ .. 2♦ pass
2♥ .. pass ??

2♦ was natural, 1 round force.

Your bid and why?

[chicken]

if 2♥ is unlimited i bid 2NT if not i give up and pass.

[ArtK78]

Pass.

Partner knows that I do not promise a rebid when I bid 3♦.

My alternative is 3♦, but given that pard has at least 9 cards in the majors, there is no reason to believe that 3♦ will play better than 2♥.

You should get out of this auction now that you have a fit, even if it is only a 4-3 fit. With a singleton spade and aces in the minors, 2♥ should play well.

[Free]

Pass

[helene_t]

I'm afraid 2♥ is forcing. 2NT.

[mike777]

whereagles, on May 8 2009, 08:07 AM, said:

Matchpoints, none vuln, you hold:

♠ Q
♥ 543
♦ AT8742
♣ A87

Pard LHO you RHO
1♠ ... 2♣ .. 2♦ pass
2♥ .. pass ??

2♦ was natural, 1 round force.

Your bid and why?

Great question, I would think that 2h is one round forcing on this auction but not forcing to game....so 2nt now.

[mcphee]

Nice spot we got ourselves into. I break the rules and raise H using the old I had a D in with my H, and making a stunned look when pard asks why no neg dble with 5-4?. Pass is risky, you could miss an easy game. Good spot for a conventional 2N that asks what the 2H bid is all about.

[jdonn]

2♥ is clearly forcing. We didn't promise partner a rebid over certain rebids by him, but new suits are unlimited. So 2NT.

[mtvesuvius]

I was leaning toward 3♥, but I guess 2NT is probably much better.

[Phil]

I'm not passing. 2♥ is forcing. How high is a matter of partnership - it should be suit agreement I think.

I'll bid 2♠ I guess. I don't like it at all, but I like it more than 2N, 3♦ or 3♥.

[se12sam]

I appreciate the comments about the 2♥ being forcing. With this hand, I would have bid anyway but it is useful to know the right treatment of 2♥ as a force.

A random thought -- What if partner has ♣Qx? Is there a "standard" way to make partner the declarer in 3NT?

Thanks

[andy_h]

2H is forcing, so I'm not passing. Not 3D with this rotten suit, not 3C as that's an overbid so I think I will bite with 2NT.

[whereagles]

Thanks all. Opener had

♠ AJ432
♥ KQJ962
♦ --
♣ T6

It's an interesting question whether 2♥ should be forcing or not. I believe it should because responder always has the strength to make another rebid, so no need for opener to waste space with a jump/cue just because he has a good 14 or 15 and fears responder passes.

At table responder passed and opener took 11 tricks. Of course, it would have been a lot easier if opener had started with 1♥, but I believe game should have been reached anyway.

By the way, having started 1♠, would you have jumped to 3♥ over 2♦? Opener didn't do it because of the diamond void and possible misfit.

[Phil]

whereagles, on May 9 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

Thanks all. Opener had

♠ AJ432
♥ KQJ962
♦ --
♣ T6

LOL

[jdonn]

whereagles, on May 9 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

By the way, having started 1♠, would you have jumped to 3♥ over 2♦?

Having started 1♠, I would have quit bridge forever.

[whereagles]

go ahead. we'll be better off without you

[jdonn]

You are the one who asked the question. Anyway sorry to disappoint but I didn't actually start 1♠, it was more of an if/then statement, so I guess you are just stuck with me for now.