[whereagles]

Here are three decisions after a preempt. All hands are IMPS, vulnerability NV vs NV

1.
♠ AKJxx
♥ x
♦ x
♣ AT9xxx

Pard..RHO..you
1♦......4♥.....??


2.
♠ AKx
♥ Kx
♦ AKQJTx
♣ Kx

RHO..you
4♥......??


3.
♠ J98xxx
♥ KQxx
♦ x
♣ Jx

LHO..RHO
3♦.....3NT

Your lead?

[Flame]

1. 4sp , if LHO doubled (i kind of hope he will) ill take it out to 5c.
2. 6D (unless partner was passed hand which i would settle for 5D)
3. KH

[Free]

4♠, like flame said...

5♦ to make, if partner has a trick he'll bid 6♦ which I might pull to 6NT in pairs

small ♥. Leading the K has not much use imo, since you miss the 10, 9,... which could be useful. Leading the 2nd longest suit is usually best I noticed.

[hrothgar]

1. Double
2. Double, intending to correct spades or clubs to Diamonds
3. Low Heart

[Flame]

About the lead, i choose the K of heart because as i see it, we need to be agressive on this diffence and i cant say on which suit, it can easily be club, therefore i lead the K of heart which will not sell a quick trick and its more felxiable, if declerer has the hearts i can still have a chance to find my tricks elsewhere.

[Flame]

hrothgar, on May 18 2004, 08:44 AM, said:

2.  Double, intending to correct spades or clubs to Diamonds

4h X p 5c
p 5D
what does partner suppose to understand from this ?
I would think you got two suiter spade and diamond and with

QJx
xxx
x
QJxxxx

I would correct you to 5sp

[inquiry]

1). Double - takeout. If partner passes, not so bad, and if partner gets excited due to a black suit fit, my hand is pretty good for that too.

2). At imps, NV versus NV, DBL is a standout. We might make 6♦ if partner has the ♣A and a third round ♠ control, but no way to find that. However, if partner bids 4♠ and I pull to 5♦ that will clearly be inviting slam, and with ♣A and ♠Q he might well bid it on that auction. 5♦ has no chance of getting you there. And if partner pass 4♥X? You likely will score 2♠, 1♥ and 1♦ at a minimum, and have chances for partners heart trick (to leave 4♥X in). There is also chance partner might have ♣Q so you can get a ♣ trick or second ♦ trick as well. At imps, down two or three in 4♥X will not be horrible given the bidding...since bidding 5♦ here will not get you to six when it makes.

3) Yuck. Partner will need a ♦ trick, and we have to find a lot of additional tricks. 3♥ and a ♦ will not be enough. I guess I will lead a low ♥, but ♥K or tricky ♣x might work out better.

ben

[mikestar]

1) Double. We've got to bring clubs into the picture as well as spades. If partner is stong in both black suits, there may be a slam and he may be able to bid it. Even if slam is not in the cards , if partner has S xx C Kxxx (perfectly possible on the bidding) I want to be in 5C, not 4S. We can't count on them doubling us in 4S if it is wrong.

2) Ben makes a fine case for double, but I'd take a shot at 6D.

3) low heart -- works better than KH if partner has AH, works about the same if he has JH. I know players who would bid 3NT here praying that H Jxx will be a stopper with help form partner or that hearts won't be lead. I'd bid it myself in a shot.

[Fluffy]

1) 4♠, its just a guess, but I saw an article somewhere where a top player bid 4♠ with this hand, he went 2 off where 5♣ where making if I remember right, but I still think he was right , really dislike double because leaves imposible rebid if partner bids 5♦.

2) Double followed by 5♦, From the earlier hand I told my partnr I would bid 4♠ if I had a ♦+♠ 2-suiter, didn´t I?


3) 4th ♥ because it is aproblem, on real life I would ahve some doubts between low ♥ and ♠ (♥K never, it asks for unblock in my system , and dislike ♥Q as well when not having 3 honnors).

[luis]

1) Double, automatic.

2) Double, automatic.

3) hK intending to hold the lead and find the right switch if pd has the hA. I suspect my pd has AKQ of clubs and forgot to double this contract otherwise this is not a problem.

[Flame]

Im trying to undersatand the double on the second hand.
Lets say you have
AKJxx
♥ x
♦ A109xx
♣ xx

This is close to the first hand and i guess you would double with it too.
Now partners bid 5c, will you pass or bid 5d ?
I am guessing 5D , now partner with
Qxx
xxx
x
Axxxxx
do you want him to bid 4sp now ?
If the answer is no - then you are midding 5sp makes for 5D down alot.
If the answer is yes, then what if you had the hand from the second double ?
AKx
♥ Kx
♦ AKQJTx
♣ Kx

[luis]

Flame, on May 19 2004, 02:00 PM, said:

Im trying to undersatand the double on the second hand.
Lets say you have
AKJxx
♥ x
♦ A109xx
♣ xx

This is close to the first hand and i guess you would double with it too.
Now partners bid 5c, will you pass or bid 5d ?
I am guessing 5D , now partner with
Qxx
xxx
x
Axxxxx
do you want him to bid 4sp now ?
If the answer is no - then you are midding 5sp makes for 5D down alot.
If the answer is yes, then what if you had the hand from the second double ?
AKx
♥ Kx
♦ AKQJTx
♣ Kx

I wouldn't double with that hand and is not similar to the 1st one, in the 1st one my pd opened the bidding.
I won't double 4h with AKJxx,xx,Axxxx, x

[Flame]

Yes you are right luis, my mistake.

[Trpltrbl]

1 ) X
2 ) X
3 ) ♥ K

Mike

[whereagles]

Thx all for the replies. Here are the hands

1.

Scoring: IMP

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Pard RHO you
1♦...4♥...??

I find it tempting to just play pard for an ace or two and blast 5NT pick-a-slam. In real life East bid the most likely game, 4♠, and just made it (South had QTxx of spades, lol).


2.

Scoring: IMP

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RHO you
4♥...??

I don't like double + 5♦ as slam invite. First, pard can pass and you know that's not good. Second, it's possible he'll bid spades if you correct 5♣ to 5♦, playing you for a spade/diam two-suiter. Third and last, you're pushing this hand's most important decision into a player whose hand rates to be very weak. Can you really blame him for passing 5♦ on

♠ QJxx
♥ xx
♦ xxx
♣ Axxx

"Excuse me for not bidding 6 with this worthless hand. It was so obvious." he'll say. I'd much rather spare him the headache and bid 6♦ myself, prepared to apologize if we miss two aces. Heck, maybe we can even make it with two aces out! Say pard turns out with

♠ QJxxx
♥ x
♦ xx
♣ QJxxx

Opps lead a heart to the ace and South shoots back.. a spade!


3.

Scoring: IMP

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Spade defeats it, though a heart needs less from pard and therefore seems more sensible.

[hrothgar]

On your analys of board 2:

>Can you really blame him for passing 5♦ on

>♠ QJxx
>♥ xx
>♦ xxx
>♣ Axxx

You doubled and then introduced a new suit at the 5 level...

I will gladly "blame" partner for passing 5♦ with a first round control and a QJxx in a suit where I rate to have values...

[mikestar]

On hand #2, Ben is right that 5D here is a clearcut slam try over 4S (4N was available as ununsual), but what if partner bids 5C? Might he not have a spade diamond two suiter with game values?

Pehaps the best way to bid this hand is to double, intending to bid 5D over 4S, but to bid 6D over 5C. I think a penalty pass is unlikely here as partner will assume they have at least 10 trumps, which means we are certain to have a nine-card fit or two eight-card fits.

[whereagles]

hrothgar, on May 19 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

On your analys of board 2:

>Can you really blame him for passing 5♦ on

>♠ QJxx
>♥ xx
>♦ xxx
>♣ Axxx

You doubled and then introduced a new suit at the 5 level...

I will gladly "blame" partner for passing 5♦ with a first round control and a QJxx in a suit where I rate to have values...

Go ahead and blame him for having what he's expected to have: the usual 7 hcp one places partner with after a preempt.

[Flame]

hrothgar, on May 19 2004, 03:09 PM, said:

On your analys of board 2:

>Can you really blame him for passing 5♦ on

>♠ QJxx
>♥ xx
>♦ xxx
>♣ Axxx

You doubled and then introduced a new suit at the 5 level...

I will gladly "blame" partner for passing 5♦ with a first round control and a QJxx in a suit where I rate to have values...

How is this working with the law of tatal tricks ?
bidding when there are about 17 total trumps .
And another question what do you bid over 4h with
AKX
XXX
AKXX
AKX

[the hog]

"Can you really blame him for passing 5♦ on

♠ QJxx
♥ xx
♦ xxx
♣ Axxx

Are you serious? If my partner passed I'd be looking for another partner. Your comment regarding the "expected" 6-7 points is fatuous. That might apply if you bid an immediate 5D, but not in this sequence where he could have nothing at all.