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Posted 2009-May-01, 06:29
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Heart lead. South Declares. What line?
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Posted 2009-May-01, 06:38
Draw two trumps. If the jack drops, ruff a diamond. Otherwise, draw a third trump, ruff a heart, ruff a diamond and ruff a heart.
If RHO has five hearts, cash the top clubs and the remaining top heart, hoping for a double squeeze with diamonds as the pivot.
If LHO has five hearts, the double squeeze won't work, so cash the top diamonds hoping to squeeze LHO in hearts and clubs.
If RHO has five hearts, cash the top clubs and the remaining top heart, hoping for a double squeeze with diamonds as the pivot.
If LHO has five hearts, the double squeeze won't work, so cash the top diamonds hoping to squeeze LHO in hearts and clubs.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-01, 06:43
Try two top spades - if the jack doesn't fall, draw trump and play to ruff two hearts and hopefully set up the last. Failing that, hope some sort of squeeze against the long heart hand guarding one or both minors.
Things are a little more interesting if the J♠ comes down doubleton. Now we can essentially play to set up dummy by ruffing the 3rd diamond and pitching the last club on our high hearts.
Things are a little more interesting if the J♠ comes down doubleton. Now we can essentially play to set up dummy by ruffing the 3rd diamond and pitching the last club on our high hearts.
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Posted 2009-May-01, 06:44
Win trick one and ruff a heart. Cross in spades and ruff a second heart. If all follow, pull trump (they must break or you cannot make) and claim. If someone shows out on the third round of hearts but does not ruff in, cross in trump and ruff a third heart. Cross to hand in diamonds and pull trump, claiming.
If, on the first round of spades, the ♠J falls, you will have an alternate line available to you - either 3-3 clubs or a heart-club squeeze (perhaps even a double or triple squeeze might exist). Personally, I would prefer to play for the ♠J as being a false card and stick with the line that I set forth above. I don't believe you can combine your chances.
I have not attempted to figure out which line is better. The possibility that a defender will falsecard with the ♠J on the first round of the suit when all of your heart losers can be successfully ruffed out is something that cannot be dismissed.
If, on the first round of spades, the ♠J falls, you will have an alternate line available to you - either 3-3 clubs or a heart-club squeeze (perhaps even a double or triple squeeze might exist). Personally, I would prefer to play for the ♠J as being a false card and stick with the line that I set forth above. I don't believe you can combine your chances.
I have not attempted to figure out which line is better. The possibility that a defender will falsecard with the ♠J on the first round of the suit when all of your heart losers can be successfully ruffed out is something that cannot be dismissed.
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Posted 2009-May-01, 10:15
ArtK78, on May 1 2009, 07:44 AM, said:
Win trick one and ruff a heart. Cross in spades and ruff a second heart. If all follow, pull trump (they must break or you cannot make) and claim. If someone shows out on the third round of hearts but does not ruff in, cross in trump and ruff a third heart. Cross to hand in diamonds and pull trump, claiming.
If, on the first round of spades, the ♠J falls, you will have an alternate line available to you - either 3-3 clubs or a heart-club squeeze (perhaps even a double or triple squeeze might exist). Personally, I would prefer to play for the ♠J as being a false card and stick with the line that I set forth above. I don't believe you can combine your chances.
I have not attempted to figure out which line is better. The possibility that a defender will falsecard with the ♠J on the first round of the suit when all of your heart losers can be successfully ruffed out is something that cannot be dismissed.
If, on the first round of spades, the ♠J falls, you will have an alternate line available to you - either 3-3 clubs or a heart-club squeeze (perhaps even a double or triple squeeze might exist). Personally, I would prefer to play for the ♠J as being a false card and stick with the line that I set forth above. I don't believe you can combine your chances.
I have not attempted to figure out which line is better. The possibility that a defender will falsecard with the ♠J on the first round of the suit when all of your heart losers can be successfully ruffed out is something that cannot be dismissed.
You fell into the same trap I did. It just looks so sexy to do a dummy reversal, especially in a club game.
But, IMO, pulling trumps works best, like others have mentioned. If hearts split 4-3, where I can ruff twice, then hearts just plain get set up. If they don't, then I need the spade Jack to not be with the doubleton heart.
Against that one hedge, pulling trumps allows me to fall back on a heart-club squeeze, or a double squeeze bringing in diamonds, or the brainlessly simple 3-3 club split, which seems more likely than dropping the stiff Jack on the first return to hand in spades, or even Jx, or catching the Jack not with the doubleton.
In practice, clubs split 3-3.
In practice, however, being a club game, with a kibitzer who likes the flashy, I announced going after the dummy reversal with a chuckle. However, LHO had only two hearts with the Jxx in spades.
In practice, however, the story is even funnier. When LHO had a chance to ruff my heart, she pitched. When I was about to complete the dummy reversal, she realized what happened and let out a big, "Oh, Crud!!!" Realizing what that must mean, I changed tacks and went for the double squeeze OR clubs coming in SANE line. Score up the grand!
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Posted 2009-May-01, 10:33
I would never go for the dummy reversal. The chances of a ruff/overruff must be much larger than the chances that hearts or clubs split plus additional squeeze chances.
I would pull two trump, if the jack doesn't drop then I'd ruff a heart (risking a 6-1 heart split), pull the last trump and ruff a heart.
If hearts split 4-3 I'm home so let's assume they don't. If righty has 5 hearts then I will come to hand with two rounds of clubs. If someone shows out I have a single squeeze (if RHO guards also guards clubs) or a double squeeze (if lefty guards clubs). If nobody shows out on the second round I will play for the double squeeze by cashing the third round of clubs first.
If lefty has 5 hearts then there probably is no double squeeze and I can just cash two diamonds and hope that lefty has 3+ clubs (split or squeeze).
I can probably do all of this without ruffing the heart early.
I would pull two trump, if the jack doesn't drop then I'd ruff a heart (risking a 6-1 heart split), pull the last trump and ruff a heart.
If hearts split 4-3 I'm home so let's assume they don't. If righty has 5 hearts then I will come to hand with two rounds of clubs. If someone shows out I have a single squeeze (if RHO guards also guards clubs) or a double squeeze (if lefty guards clubs). If nobody shows out on the second round I will play for the double squeeze by cashing the third round of clubs first.
If lefty has 5 hearts then there probably is no double squeeze and I can just cash two diamonds and hope that lefty has 3+ clubs (split or squeeze).
I can probably do all of this without ruffing the heart early.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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