[WrecksVee]

White vs. red, you deal and pass holding ♠Jx ♥QTxxx ♦J9 ♣K8xx

The auction goes pass-(1♦)-3♣-(Double) and back to you.

You expect partner to be aggressive at these colors. Per agreement you expect partner has 5 or 6 playing tricks at these colors.

What do you bid? Do you have any other plan besides an immediate preempt? Comments please.

Thanks, WrecksVee

Finland Awaits!

[petergreat]

5♣. Wheeee!

It blocks their prospective spade / diamond game, and often makes them play in a bad level or suit.

Also you're white and they're red, so all the more reason to wheeee!
I expect partner to have AQxxxxx and little outside.

[kfay]

Playing with my regular partner and our agreement for 'aggressive' I'd think they are about 90+% to have slam here so I would be tempted to bid 6♣ right away.

Two obvious problems are that 10% and the fact that I'm so flat they'll probably destroy us in 6♣ and not even need to bid slam.

I think I'd just content myself with 5♣. I'd most likely bid 6♣ at MPs in a good field.

[hanp]

WrecksVee, on Apr 27 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

You expect partner to be aggressive at these colors. Per agreement you expect partner has 5 or 6 playing tricks at these colors.

Hmm

[jdonn]

5♣, simplest is best again.

[Apollo81]

Just 5♣.

I don't like the semibalanced nature of the hand, nor do I like the minor honors I hold in every outside suit.

[whereagles]

3NT, inviting pard to save in 5♣ if his hand is suitable.

[mtvesuvius]

whereagles, on Apr 27 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

3NT, inviting pard to save in 5♣ if his hand is suitable.

No matter what the problem is, Nuno will always bid 3NT.

So, for every BBF poll, there should be an option of 3NT: Specially inserted for Nuno.

Anyway, 5♣ for me too.

[mikeh]

5♣

There is something to be said for 4♣, since it might catch LHO with a heavy 4 level bid and his partner passing in case it was a stretched 4 level bid, and I have a lot of losers.. 800 in 5♣ is quite possible. But, they rate to have slam; they rate to bid it if given room; and 5♣ looks the closest to normal.

BTW, even if one played 3N here as suggesting a save, I reject it. Why give LHO a free cue bid to show values? Or an opportunity to bid 4♦ when that's what he has and it is rho with the big hand? or to double to show a good hand and create a force if it gets passed to us for us to run?

3N is the type of bid that 'works' against weak opps... and even then all it really does is break even.

[jdonn]

mikeh, on Apr 27 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

BTW, even if one played 3N here as suggesting a save, I reject it. Why give LHO a free cue bid to show values? Or an opportunity to bid 4♦ when that's what he has and it is rho with the big hand? or to double to show a good hand and create a force if it gets passed to us for us to run?

Or to bid 4♠ and his partner with possible extra spade length may learn of the fit.

[gnasher]

WrecksVee, on Apr 27 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

You expect partner to be aggressive at these colors. Per agreement you expect partner has 5 or 6 playing tricks at these colors.

I'd bid only 4♣. "Reasonably aggressive" surely includes AQJxxx and some queen that is no use in offence but does prevent their making slam. I don't want to endplay them into doubling us for 800.

[Phil]

Its a good thing partner looks at the vulnerability before bidding so I don't have to.

5♣ in all cases.

[JLOL]

5C but wouldn't be surprised to go for 800. I think it's worth it to put the pressure on.

[nick_s]

whereagles, on Apr 27 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

3NT, inviting pard to save in 5♣ if his hand is suitable.

I think whereagles is quoting Robson/Seagal again.

I don't think "aggressive" is an adequate description of their jump overcall style in third position at green. For them it's more like 3 to 6 playing tricks than 5 to 6.

With such a wide range, 3NT to invite a save makes more sense than here.

Anyway, 4♣ is my choice FWIW.

[cherdanno]

I think I would only bid 4♣. Partner may have some defense opposite a passed hand, or he may have only 6 clubs white vs red. Also, their auction doesn't suggest a huge fit.

[skjaeran]

I'd be reluctant to bid 5♣ with such a balanced hand and being a passed hand. Partner's preempts tend to be more widerange facing a passed hand.

[rogerclee]

I would bid only 4♣. I'm scared of going for a number, and this is enough to give my opponents a problem anyway. 5♣ is certainly reasonable to me.

[miguelm]

5C. It is preemptive enough in case they feel like looking for slam, and if they double the worst case cenario would be 800, which I don't mind to risk at all.

4C is a very shy preempt and implies that I know what to do next... (do I...?)

6C is like telling oppos to bid slam... and 1100 if they double doesn't look appealing at all.

[655321]

A boring 5♣ for me.

Certainly not thrilled to do it with all these doubleton Jacks, but you just make the bid you have to make.

Incidentally, prefer to play a style where I can open this hand at these colors with some sort of weak 2 in hearts - bidding at the 2 level early instead of bidding at the 5 level late.

[barryallen]

kfay, on Apr 27 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Playing with my regular partner and our agreement for 'aggressive' I'd think they are about 90+% to have slam here so I would be tempted to bid 6♣ right away.

Two obvious problems are that 10% and the fact that I'm so flat they'll probably destroy us in 6♣ and not even need to bid slam.

I think I'd just content myself with 5♣.  I'd most likely bid 6♣ at MPs in a good field.

If they destroy you in 6♣, they would more than likely have a small slam. You stand a reasonable chance of 1100 against 1430, at worst 1400 against 1430. My big worry would be what partner could have after Pass-1♦-3♣?

If there is potential for him to have an outside K, or Qxx, it all starts to get shaky?
If any of the opponents have a ♣ void, I can't see them staying out of slam what ever you do.

So I expect I would wimp out with 5♣ every time.