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What does a 3D bid look like? Auction below

Poll: What does a 3D bid look like? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

What does a 3D bid look like?

  1. D Jxxxxxx and out (8 votes [38.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.10%

  2. KQJxx and out (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. any 5+ diamonds with some (4-5 hcp) useful cards (7 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. no such hand (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  5. either of the first two choices above (4 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  6. some other hand (please specify in the thread) (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

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Posted 2009-April-24, 04:28

The auction

1 (Dbl) Pass (1)
Dbl (Pass) ?

Your style:

Fairly heavy 1-level openings at the top end;

Responder bids over the double -

1 on many hands with four spades and 6+ points

1NT on most hands with a few useful values and reasonably balanced (could be 4-4-4-1 or 5-4-3-1)

Negative freebids of 2/ almost always a six-card suit

XX any strong hand with a minor;

Opener's double is for takeout - either moderate values with spade shortage (classic takeout) or any very strong hand but not too distributional.

What do you think a 3 bid should look like?
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Posted 2009-April-24, 04:46

Voted: "any 5+ diamonds with some (4-5 hcp) useful cards"

Basicly it's any hand that is ready to bid 3 over 2, and has a distribtuion that expects it.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 04:50

To me the most useful approach would be a hand where I do not need space for searching for the best strain but where my bid is a real statement about my suit.

So I would go for really long diamonds, too weak for a NFB- like hand 1.

When I have some values and just 5 diamonds, there is a possibility that we need some room to explore for other strains, so I would use 2 Diamond to show 4 or 5 diamonds and scattered values.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 04:58

Codo, on Apr 24 2009, 12:50 PM, said:

To me the most useful approach would be a hand where I do not need space for searching for the best strain but where my bid is a real statement about my suit.

So I would go for really long diamonds, too weak for a NFB- like hand 1.

When I have some values and just 5 diamonds, there is a possibility that we need some room to explore for other strains, so I would use 2 Diamond to show 4 or 5 diamonds and scattered values.

So what do you bid with 5 diamonds and no values?
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Posted 2009-April-24, 05:29

Not knowing what a 3D bid would be in first round (assuming WJS) IMHO this has to be done based on suit, so I voted for the first option... with the same hand and the 4/5 points probably would have bid 3D earlier
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Posted 2009-April-24, 06:17

I think it implies game interest, so either of the first two, or somewhere in between with a six-card suit. KJxxx and nothing else would be too weak, because game is more-or-less impossible.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 08:09

I would take it as something like

xx
x
JT9xxxx
xxx

Insufficient for a negative free bid, but shapely enough for the 3 level.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 08:50

I like to play that over the double bid at the 2 level arent forcing 4-10, while bid at the 1 and 3 level are forcing. So passing and bidding show 0-3 pts and long diamonds.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 10:45

As I play xfers, 2C would show D-Jxxxxx and out: passing acceptance; D-KQJxx would have H-support as help-suit raise or NT with S-stop or 3D next.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 10:51

KQxxx sounds like enough to me, even xxxx xx KQxxx xx. KJxxx is close but I would also jump. So having said that before reading the options, I think somewhere between 2 and 3 in that the diamonds would tend to at least have an honor.
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Posted 2009-April-24, 12:07

I think it hints at a spade suit with 3 or 4 small - a hand that improves when partner has short spades.
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Posted 2009-April-25, 02:48

I think the main problem is to decide is this is constructive bid or not.

5 looks like a too long shot to take, and if it is to be played partner is probably having 3 level safety to move on over 2.

3NT is unlikelly on this sequence.

Because of that I'd say the constructive aproach is less useful than the preemptive one.

So I'd say 3 is more like Qxxxxx.

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Note: before analysing the facts my first impression was that 3 would be both constructive and preemptive, something like KJ10xxx.
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