[xcurt]

Scoring: XIMP

P-P-1♣-4♥
5♣-AP

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Down 6 after the defenders made a diamond ruff and declarer followed by blowing into the now-stiff ♣K.

Have at it, vultures.

[jdonn]

I blame the parents of everyone but north.

[Gerben42]

What Josh meant is:

1. 4♥ is not good with so much defense. That's not partnership bidding. BTW if you bid like this anyway, you are forced into doubling 5♣ yourself.
2. 5♣ is not good, whatever
3. I disagree with Josh that West could have done something. If partner just has 8 Hearts, how would we hope to beat this?

[jdonn]

Gerben42, on Apr 20 2009, 01:50 AM, said:

3. I disagree with Josh that West could have done something. If partner just has 8 Hearts, how would we hope to beat this?

If partner thinks 4♥ is a good idea and I were west, I might think 5♥ is a good idea. Of course not if he has AKQxxx of hearts like people in the other thread...

[hanp]

Josh you know the difference between 1H - p - 3H - 4S and 1C - 4H.

[Phil]

jdonn, on Apr 20 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

Gerben42, on Apr 20 2009, 01:50 AM, said:

3. I disagree with Josh that West could have done something. If partner just has 8 Hearts, how would we hope to beat this?

If partner thinks 4♥ is a good idea and I were west, I might think 5♥ is a good idea. Of course not if he has AKQxxx of hearts like people in the other thread...

The other thread we were red on red, not adverse. And we had a side 5 bagger!

Still, I agree with Josh's comments about 4♥. Its a poker bid and East needs to double 5♣ (or 4♠, which is what you really expect when you bid 4♥).

I don't mind West's pass. We have some defense against 5♣. 5♥ could be right, but only if we are making 5♥, or 5♥ is -1 when 5♣ is making. Both seem very unlikely.

When I read this hand last night in a tired state, I thought the main villain was South. 5♣ is easily the worst call made at the table.

[JLOL]

4H is terrible.

[hanp]

Agree with Phil.

[jdonn]

hanp, on Apr 20 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

Josh you know the difference between 1H - p - 3H - 4S and 1C - 4H.

Yes yes I was a little tongue in cheek. One day I'll learn self control.

But if you don't think west should bid 5♥ then he should definitely double. They might be making, but partner bid to the 4 level r/w, I'm not defending undoubled at the 5 level holding an ace and a king.