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#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2009-April-19, 10:40

Scoring: IMP


1S---------1NT (forcing)
2D---------2Nt
pass.

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Posted 2009-April-19, 10:42

S should bid 3♥ over 2NT.
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Posted 2009-April-19, 19:39

gwnn, on Apr 19 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

S should bid 3♥ over 2NT.

Yep. Although I'm one to be speaking about forcing NT auctions... :)
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Posted 2009-April-21, 00:07

North should rebid 2S. It's a very ugly 10 count.
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Posted 2009-April-21, 00:26

pretzalz, on Apr 21 2009, 01:07 AM, said:

North should rebid 2S. It's a very ugly 10 count.

i disagree... greatly...
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Posted 2009-April-21, 01:45

gwnn, on Apr 20 2009, 01:42 AM, said:

S should bid 3♥ over 2NT.

I would hate this. It had worked here but let us to 3 NT with no fits and 14 hcps or some shaky 7 card fits opposite millions of other hands.

I like the bidding, sometimes you play the wrong strain on the wrong level.
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Posted 2009-April-21, 02:30

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I would hate this. It had worked here but let us to 3 NT with no fits and 14 hcps or some shaky 7 card fits opposite millions of other hands.


I dont understand.. What other hands? didn't partner show about 11hcp?

Doesn't South with a 14 count (plus some useful intermediates) has a routine accept of the invitation?

And, while accepting, isn't it routine to show the 3 card ♥ fragment?
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Posted 2009-April-21, 03:47

mich-b, on Apr 21 2009, 03:30 AM, said:

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I would hate this. It had worked here but let us to 3 NT with no fits and 14 hcps or some shaky 7 card fits opposite millions of other hands.


I dont understand.. What other hands? didn't partner show about 11hcp?

Doesn't South with a 14 count (plus some useful intermediates) has a routine accept of the invitation?

And, while accepting, isn't it routine to show the 3 card ♥ fragment?

Responder showed 10-12.
Opener also has a single Ace, which a feature which at least some player
would consider a minus.
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Posted 2009-April-21, 05:29

mich-b, on Apr 21 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

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I would hate this. It had worked here but let us to 3 NT with no fits and 14 hcps or some shaky 7 card fits opposite millions of other hands.


I dont understand.. What other hands? didn't partner show about 11hcp?

Doesn't South with a 14 count (plus some useful intermediates) has a routine accept of the invitation?

And, while accepting, isn't it routine to show the 3 card ♥ fragment?

responder showed: 10-11 HCPS and no particular fit and no long suit.
So he should have something from 1525 to 2434.
Of course, you can construct hands, where 3 NT is still making, or where 4 Heart comes in because you find partner with a 2533 with not much wasted in clubs, nice fillers in spades and solid 5 hearts.

But I belive that there are too many hands where 2 NT socre better- even with imp-scoring. But maybe a sim will proofe me wrong....
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Posted 2009-April-21, 05:56

The standard BBO-FD cards don't help much :angry:

Sayc/Acol/Natural:
1♠-2♥-3♥-ppp {why is 3♥ shown as forcing on FD?}

2/1
1♠-1NT-2♦-3♠ (if invitational) or 2♠ (constructive)

Either way opener should pass with 7 losers

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Posted 2009-April-21, 08:07

I must be missing something. I don't get this at all.
2NT looks like a good landing spot to me.

4♥ requires AK♦ to be onside and no diamond ruff.
3NT requires a non-club lead. (or several cards to all be well placed)
I don't mind missing either of these.
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