[Felix]

A hand from last night.
You hold:

Scoring: IMP

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Partner passes and RHO opens 1♠. What's you bid? What's your bidding plan?

Felix

[Flame]

The options as i see them
1. bid 2c and forget about diamonds.
2. bid 2c planing to bid diamond later or 4nt to show two suiter with longer club
3. bid 2nt to show minors
4. bid 4nt to show minors.
I think i'll go with 4nt.

[Free]

Dbl and rebid ♣, leave the ♦ suit for what it is. Otherwise they'll probably get too easy in 6M or 7M.

[mr1303]

I think this could be a horrible misfit. It is entirely possible that partner has a weak 2 in hearts, but decided not to open because he had 4 spades. I think I'll try 3C, and be happy with it. I fancy we don't have a game here, and if I double, you'll hear 4H from partner, I guarantee it

[Flame]

Free, on May 18 2004, 06:58 AM, said:

Dbl and rebid ♣, leave the ♦ suit for what it is.  Otherwise they'll probably get too easy in 6M or 7M.

you mean big double ??? if you want to show the club andf ignore the diamond its ok , just bid 2c. double is imo is a very bad bid, that have nothing to do with this hand.

[luis]

By rule I bid 2NT/4NT only when the two minors are the same, so when pd chooses he knows he is choosing the best fit.
In this case I'd bid 2c and then 4NT in my next turn showing 6-5 or 7-5 with more clubs than diamonds.

Luis.

[whereagles]

This is the sort of hand that is fit for some psychological, non-scientific bidding.

If this is matchpoints and my opponents are trigger-happy, I'm gonna try something "clever". Pass and later on come in with 5♣ If opps are of the non-impressible type, I'll probably bid 4♣, eventually followed by 4NT to show the two-suiter with shorter diamonds.

[Free]

Flame, on May 18 2004, 10:01 PM, said:

Free, on May 18 2004, 06:58 AM, said:

Dbl and rebid ♣, leave the ♦ suit for what it is.  Otherwise they'll probably get too easy in 6M or 7M.

you mean big double ??? if you want to show the club andf ignore the diamond its ok , just bid 2c. double is imo is a very bad bid, that have nothing to do with this hand.

Like whereagles says, it's time for some psychological, non-scientific bidding. The big Double will keep opps out of their slam with the biggest chance of all other bids imo. The scientific bidding from Luis shows the hand perfectly however, but gives away too much info imo.

[luis]

Free, on May 18 2004, 01:33 PM, said:

Flame, on May 18 2004, 10:01 PM, said:

Free, on May 18 2004, 06:58 AM, said:

Dbl and rebid ♣, leave the ♦ suit for what it is.  Otherwise they'll probably get too easy in 6M or 7M.

you mean big double ??? if you want to show the club andf ignore the diamond its ok , just bid 2c. double is imo is a very bad bid, that have nothing to do with this hand.

Like whereagles says, it's time for some psychological, non-scientific bidding. The big Double will keep opps out of their slam with the biggest chance of all other bids imo. The scientific bidding from Luis shows the hand perfectly however, but gives away too much info imo.

Don't you want to give away as much info as you can ?
You can win a slam in this hand, in fact it is very likely that you may have a slam in this hand.
I don't think it is obstructive, in my opinion obstructive hands are the ones that don't have enough offensive power to outbid the opponents so you need to interpose a very high bid inmediately.
I highly dislike fancy obstructive bids in hands where you may be obstructing your own game or slam.
It is not clear if they will be cluttering our hand with spades or we will be cluttering their hand with minors so I prefer to describe as accurately as I can.
I'm amazed everybody thinks we are on defense.

[inquiry]

I bid 2♣

My bidding plan is to declarer this hand, if at all possible. I like the 4NT rebid if they bid a lot of a major.

ben

[Flame]

Psychs and tactical bids maybe working for you online, but if you are playing serious bridge and this kind of bid is normal enough for you to put it on forum, then your partner should alert this bid and your opponents should give no much credit to your bids.

[Free]

Whatever, if you don't like my bids, then just don't play with me. And if you have something to say about "not worthy for a forum", do it in private! Seems you just don't know ANYTHING about me if you think that my experience comes from online bridge... Have a good day

[Felix]

I think the bid that best describes the hand is 2♣ followed by 4NT. I feel kinda strongly that starting with 2NT or 4NT partner will never be able to pick the correct minor (if he has 3♦ and a singl.♣ we probably want to play 5♣, not 5♦). Still since it's entirely possible that opps have slam in a Major, do we want to let them have all this room? how bad do you judge a leap to 5♣ is?

Felix

[luis]

Felix, on May 18 2004, 03:39 PM, said:

I think the bid that best describes the hand is 2♣ followed by 4NT. I feel kinda strongly that starting with 2NT or 4NT partner will never be able to pick the correct minor (if he has 3♦ and a singl.♣ we probably want to play 5♣, not 5♦). Still since it's entirely possible that opps have slam in a Major, do we want to let them have all this room? how bad do you judge a leap to 5♣ is?

Felix

Bad if they can make 5M/6M and your good sacrifice is in diamonds.
Bad if you can make 5d but not 5c
Very bad if you can make 6c or 6d :-)
And even worst if the hand is a missfit and pd has a weak hand with 5-6 in the majors.

[Flame]

Free, on May 18 2004, 09:52 AM, said:

Whatever, if you don't like my bids, then just don't play with me.  And if you have something to say about "not worthy for a forum", do it in private!  Seems you just don't know ANYTHING about me if you think that my experience comes from online bridge...  Have a good day

lol
I guess you will never understand me, i think you have some problems with me that doesnt have much to do with bridge, i can guess but dont know.
Have a nice day.

[Fluffy]

2NT followed by 5♣.

Its pretty much like 2♣+4NT, just that gives some extra credit to partner if he decides to double 4 in a major. And maybe 2♣+4NT is more like 4-7 tendency than 5-6.

[whereagles]

I don't like 2♣. That's a constructive bid which shows some defense values. Opposite 2♣, pard is invited to help in a high-level decision and he will count on those defensive values. But.. we don't have any of that. Our hand is all attack and zero defense. Besides, 2♣ gives responder all the space he needs to descibe his hand with a fit-bid or support-showing 2NT or cue-bids, leaving you with the last guess over 5♠ or 5♥. For these two reasons, I consider 2♣ not the best bid.

About 5♣. Unless your LHO is the temerary sort of person who thinks "I shall never sell out to 5♣!", bidding 5♣ right away is probably bad strategy. Why? Because at this stage you still don't know where their best fit lies. Bidding 4♣ gives them the chance to pick out the wrong fit, while 5♣ gives them far less options. LHO could perfectly well bid 4♥ over 4♣ with

♠ Jx
♥ AJTxxx
♦ Kxx
♣ xx

whereas he'll probably pass or double a direct 5♣ bid. If LHO is allowed to bid 4♥ (which you would pass), it wouldn't be surprising to see pard can come up with a KQx of hearts and a singleton club! If they bid 4♠ instead, then you can try 4NT, because chances are their spade fit is good.

[the hog]

2C followed by 4NT - obvious. Agree with Luis, after all I do have a partner, apparently unlike some posters. How is partner supposed to be involved in the decision making process or unravel the mess if I pass first or psyche a x?

[Chamaco]

What about psyching 2♥ or a 1NT overcall (if u play this as "natural") and then planning to retreat to clubs ?

[Fluffy]

Chamaco, on May 26 2004, 01:32 PM, said:

What about psyching 2♥ or a 1NT overcall (if u play this as "natural") and then planning to retreat to clubs ?

2♥->4♠-5♥-X, your bid
1NT->X-p-p-2♣-4♠ you gained nothing or alternativelly
1NT->4♠-X-p- now you are blind for your decision.

That´s what psyches are about, aren´t them?