[Maaa]

I´d be happy to help in German ( and polish )

[Chamaco]

I am available to translate in italian BBO "stuff".
Willing to give back some efforts for what I get from Fred/Uday/Sheris' efforts on BBO !

PS- Funny posts, Maaa !!

[csdenmark]

I assume this text is written in a way suitable for aut. translation.

http://www.altavista...ee/mtwain_story

Try and auto-translate this text into 10 different languages and store the translated texts in your word processor. Now you decide to modify the text with this english one: "I want this text to be inserted". This text you must not auto translate. You must find individuals to translate the text into all the languages you have chosen and then you can insert the text in each one of your stored texts.

If you can handle this - I think you have something for your rejection - else not!

[slothy]

Sorry Maaaaa forgot to mention Polish !!! as one of the significant language-groups who use BBO (and a minority of whom, on experience, find it difficult to communicate in English) Perhaps even Russian, but this may cause unnecessary probs with code-paging...

Maaa, on May 14 2004, 08:23 AM, said:

....
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty´s Government conceded that English spelling has some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan what will be known as Euroenglish ( Euro for short).

I DO HAVE TO SAY MAAA....in the defence of the tongue i love to speak slurringly....

Polish has 4 syllables dz, cz, sz, rz ALL as unprounceable as each other . Why don't the Polish, as they have now joined the EU , decide to simplify their own language!!! ???

Before my (ex) Polish mother-in-law agreed to accept me as a future son-in-law she wanted me to say

Spoiler

---

"Przygwoździ bździągwa gwoździem źdźbło, to pobździ źdźbłko"

as fluently as a native Pole (and without spitting all over her in the process). You can imagine no surprise that our engagement lasted over 5 years...

PS Maaaa God invented VOWELS for a purpose Seems like the Poles missed out on it jajaja

[inquiry]

Now if we can just get Dawn to convert English to Deep South Speak, I will be able to understand what is being said.

Ben

[slothy]

Before that Ben perhaps you would be kind enough to translate what Dawn says into English????



Dawn's Ex-friend, alex

[fred]

My sense is that we have 10s of 1000s of members who would
like to see a version of BBO in their native languages, but I could
easily be wrong about this.

Even if there are very few BBO members who care about a
non-English client, there are sound business reasons for us to
take this initiative:

We would like to eventually establish business relationships
with various National Bridge Federations and it is important to
the people who run such federations that our software be
available in their native languages. We also want to sell content
to people who speak various languages and I believe that we
will be more successful at this if both the content and the interface
are available in various non-English languages.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Maaa]

LOLLL Alex


Ta ramka tu tamta ramka tam.

Enough vowels ? And..YES, this sentance has a serious meaning. lol

[csdenmark]

I certainly agree Fred. This was exactly what my comments regarding implementation of filters was about. The glorious perspectives for multi national and multi lingual are not to come.

Anyhow I am sad as I love the international get together here. I very much hope that some of the perspectives for national federations will be an option for members also to participate in the multinational activities - not only passive as Vugraph.

On the other hand when I occasionally looks into the danish section of Swan Bridge it looks like it is no runner for Danmarks Bridge Forbund. I dont know but I assume they are a bit disappointed as they in Denmark regarded national online bridge as the future. I know they have worked trying to establish something on scandinavian basis which intensions seems to have failed.

I still think it will be worth trying to ease the language problems in the multinational area.

[DrTodd13]

I think Fred's idea is worthwhile doing. It can only make BBO more convenient to those form other countries. I'd like to see it go a step farther and start to translate things like acronyms. Here's a scenario, I'm playing against a Polish pair and I'd like to know what their carding is. I click a new button on the screen "ask opps about carding." A dialog box opens up on my opps' screens that says "Declarer would like to know your carding" except that this would be translated into Polish. Then they are presented with something that looks like the lower left-hand portion of the ACBL convention card, again except that the terminology and acronyms are in Polish. Let's say they click on the "o/o" checkbox. When their answers come back to my screen I can see what they entered except that o/o has been translated into my vernacular, namely UDCA.
I hope this evolves into the bidding area as well where bids can be described symbolically rather than textually. This would eliminate much language confusion and allow for easy automatic translation.

Todd

[keylime]

I'll be happy to help out with the Korean translations

[mr1303]

It should be said that Maaa is quoting Jeremy Clarkson. I too have his book

[xx1943]

I agree 100% with erkson and misho. To play online bridge u must know a minimum of English to talk with pd and opps, to understand announcements by TD,
answer reasonable after alerting ...............

By the way I want to express my enthusiasm about BBO. I got to know BBO in December 2003 and spent a lot of happy hours here.
Many thanks to Fred, UDay .......... and all others, who gave this exciting gift to all bridgeplayers all over the world.
Many many thanks.


Hi Claus

I tried to translate this paragraph from your poll from English to German in Altavista:

csdenmark, on May 14 2004, 03:58 AM, said:

My vote will be to change in a way that the commercial translation tools on WEB will be good regarding BBO information too. This means move general info from the client into WEB-sites. This also means in those sites write bridge as 'bridge' to avoid translation of the word as it will be wrong translated etc. In no way you will ever be able to handle the 52 different indian languages.

RESULT:

Meine Stimme ist, in einer Weise zu ändern, daß die kommerziellen Übersetzungshilfsmittel auf NETZ gut sind, BBO Informationen auch betrachtend. Dies heißt Bewegung allgemeines Info vom Klienten in Web site. Dieses auch Mittel in jenen Aufstellungsorten schreiben Brücke als 'bridge' Übersetzung des Wortes vermeiden, da es falsch übersetztes usw. ist. KeineswegsSIND Sie überhaupt in der Lage, die 52 unterschiedlichen indischen Sprachen anzufassen.

BACK from German to English

My vote wants tons of CHANGES in A way that the commercial translation tools on WEB wants good regarding BBO information too. This means move general info. from the client into Web sites. This thus means into those sites write bridge as 'bridge' ton avoid translation OF the word as it wants wrong translated etc.. In NO way you wants more ever able ton act the 52 different indian LANGUAGES


Everyone can make his opinion about the value of this translation himself.

I personally prefer reading in original English despite my bad knowledge of this language.

[mishovnbg]

Hi Slothy!
"Perhaps even Russian, but this may cause unnecessary probs with code-paging..."
You probably don't know that russian and by the way all slovenian use cyrillic alphabet which was invented and used first in bulgaria. So "unnecessary probs with code-paging" affect all bulgarians and they unlike most of other nations can't write in chat on his own language. Probably nobody asked Fred to correct this unsuitable for us chat environment, because normally bulgarians are friendly and patience, except for enemies... Do you know that about half milliard of people use cyrillic symbols?

Hi Marta!
"As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty´s Government conceded that English spelling has some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan what will be known as Euroenglish ( Euro for short)."

But this is only possible future imho! Despite bulgarian language is more than thousand years old and I like it very much... Simplification is unavoidable - the time rule us, we can't rule the time! And our time is time of "take and run" and globalization do we like it or not...


Misho, fan of books, slow and thinking bridge and similar s**

[csdenmark]

I dont think so Misho. At least BBO supports chinese signs/letters. Those I have enabled on my PC and they are displayed on BBO too. There have been Vugraph sessions in chinese language. I think you will be right assuming the BBO client supports all the languages you have installed.

[mishovnbg]

csdenmark, on May 15 2004, 10:49 AM, said:

I dont think so Misho. At least BBO supports chinese signs/letters. Those I have enabled on my PC and they are displayed on BBO too. There have been Vugraph sessions in chinese language. I think you will be right assuming the BBO client supports all the languages you have installed.

I can be wrong of course, Claus...

Fred and Uday, sorry about bother you, are cyrillic symbols available in BBO chat and BBO forum?
Thanks in advance, Misho

[csdenmark]

Фирма МС-АУТОРЕНТ предлага автомобили под наем (рент а кар) за бизнес цели, сватби, делегации, туризъм, трансфери при следните изгодни за клиента условия:

You see Misho here it works - but this is only displayed as ???????? on my PC at the BBO client. But I think they can as Fred once told me they have enabled such.

Here below you see some chinese signs - but also here BBO dont display. I dont remember how I once was able to produce the chinese signs on BBO - but they can for sure.

设计维护

[slothy]

mishovnbg, on May 15 2004, 02:32 AM, said:

Hi Slothy!
"Perhaps even Russian, but this may cause unnecessary probs with code-paging..."
You probably don't know that russian and by the way all slovenian use cyrillic alphabet which was invented and used first in bulgaria. So "unnecessary probs with code-paging" affect all bulgarians and they unlike most of other nations can't write in chat on his own language. Probably nobody asked Fred to correct this unsuitable for us chat environment, because normally bulgarians are friendly and patience, except for enemies... Do you know that about half milliard of people use cyrillic symbols?

In fact Mr Vnbg i did know that - You probably don't know that russian and by the way all slovenian use cyrillic alphabet which was invented and used first in bulgaria.- but saw no reason to include such an irrelevant fact to the spirit of the thread in my post . It is worth knowing and i am sure many people would be overwhelmingly interested in bulgaria's contribution to linguistics, and as a proud Bulgarian I am sure you were enthusiastic enuf to express that fact with little hesitation . Out of curiousity, were you asking whether i knew that bulgarian used Cyrillic alphabet or that it was invented in Bulgaria???

If people really want to know, I believe it was invented in the 9th century by a priest, called Cyril (hence Cyrillic), to translate religious manuscripts (the power of religion ) from Byzantium so they could be read by native Slav-speakers . (please correct me if i am wrong Mish). For the avid readers amongst us, especially the addictive smokers, hee hee, D. Dimov's book "Tabacco" (hard to get hold of translation now) is well worth reading and a book of poems called "Motor Songs" (forgot author sorry )...

NB. You may be wondering why i wrote the above. I bought a Bulgarian woman a coffee in a bistro once. Unfortunately she made a rather annoying noise when she drank it so that relationship didnt mature. However, she had the nicest pair of legs i have ever seen on a woman (or a man for that matter). Thus i wrote it out of nostalgia.

Mish, you may like to know that the character Uncle Bulgaria in the Wombles series (english TV series ) was so called coz he looks very much like you Although your bridge may be significantly better i am sure he can dig holes in the ground with his hands more expertly

What i probably didnt know, however, was your comment "normally bulgarians are friendly and patient". but i am VERY open-minded and patient too. hee hee

I am currently writing some web-based software to allow people to interact using Maltese script (Latin script with a few variant characters) and it is proving quite challenging, to me anyway. That is the only reason why i said about the difficulty with the code-paging...

Your Fellow Slavic Sympathiser, Alex .

PS Misho (and Rado jaja) , please appreciate my ambassadorial function of promoting the history and literature of Bulgaria

[fred]

mishovnbg, on May 15 2004, 09:33 AM, said:

csdenmark, on May 15 2004, 10:49 AM, said:

I dont think so Misho. At least BBO supports chinese signs/letters. Those I have enabled on my PC and they are displayed on BBO too. There have been Vugraph sessions in chinese language. I think you will be right assuming the BBO client supports all the languages you have installed.

I can be wrong of course, Claus...

Fred and Uday, sorry about bother you, are cyrillic symbols available in BBO chat and BBO forum?
Thanks in advance, Misho

I don't know about BBO Forums, but I am 99% certain that
there is no way to get the current BBO client to produce
cyrillic characters.

Non-English character sets (like Greek, Japanese, and Chinese)
required extra programming. I have done this for the 3 languages
mentioned above and I am working on it for Arabic, but I have
not done the necessary work for languages that use the
cyrillic alphabet (yet).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Rain]

Just a quick question regarding languages: Its said that languages like Hebrew are read right to left. (Chinese used to be this one, but adapted to modern computers and books) So is Hebrew or Arabic and all else still this way? Will Fred have to do a right-to-left version of BBO?




Rain