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#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2009-March-26, 18:35

V vs NV at IMPs you hold:

♠AQJ9x
♥Kxx
♦9x
♣xxx

RHO opens 1♥, you overcall 1♠, LHO passes and partner bids 2♦, pass to you.
This bid is undiscussed, do you assume it to be Forcing or NF-Constructive?

What's your bid here?
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Posted 2009-March-26, 18:40

NF, I pass.
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Posted 2009-March-26, 18:51

agree, what did p have?
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Posted 2009-March-26, 18:53

jillybean2, on Mar 26 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

what did p have?

x
xx
AKQTx
AKJTx


Who was insane here? :lol:
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Posted 2009-March-26, 19:12

mtvesuvius, on Mar 26 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Mar 26 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

what did p have?

x
xx
AKQTx
AKJTx


Who was insane here? :lol:

You weren't playing with me, was your p an expert?
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Posted 2009-March-26, 19:16

jillybean2, on Mar 26 2009, 08:12 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Mar 26 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Mar 26 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

what did p have?

x
xx
AKQTx
AKJTx


Who was insane here? :lol:

You weren't playing with me, was your p an expert?

Does a star count?
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Posted 2009-March-26, 19:36

Without discussion this is forcing. Anyway i would bid just to avoid disasters.
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Posted 2009-March-26, 19:39

In my circles it's NF even without discussion so pass would be right, but I can certainly understand bidding just in case.
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Posted 2009-March-26, 21:30

mtvesuvius, on Mar 26 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

V vs NV at IMPs you hold:

♠AQJ9x
♥Kxx
♦9x
♣xxx

RHO opens 1♥, you overcall 1♠, LHO passes and partner bids 2♦, pass to you.
This bid is undiscussed, do you assume it to be Forcing or NF-Constructive?

What's your bid here?

As nonexpert I assume nf.....I am allowed to pass 2d......now, I rebid 2s.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 01:39

I had passed without much thought. No success. No problem.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 04:55

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Posted 2009-March-27, 06:22

Consensus seems to indicate non-forcing / passable (My belief so far was "it as forcing as long as partner is not a passed hand")

Anyway, please help me with my related question:
     *  What are the forcing options available to partner?
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Posted 2009-March-27, 06:24

I think this is a geography thing. Most decent English players play change of suit as forcing after an overcall.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 10:29

se12sam, on Mar 27 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

Consensus seems to indicate non-forcing / passable (My belief so far was "it as forcing as long as partner is not a passed hand")

Anyway, please help me with my related question:
     *  What are the forcing options available to partner?

1) Cuebid, then bid diamonds.

2) Play the jump in a new suit as natural & forcing.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 13:45

FrancesHinden, on Mar 27 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

I think this is a geography thing. Most decent English players play change of suit as forcing after an overcall.

That's what I prefer too. I believe standard over here (if there's such a thing) is that a new suit is forcing at the 1- and 3-levels, NF at the 2-level.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 14:05

My next question is what do you prefer to use over an overcall any why? If NF, what is the best way to show a forcing hand? What are the advantages/disadvantages etc? (I will grade your essays on a scale of 1 to 6, critiqueing them for spelling etc... :P) Thoughts here are appreciated! Thanks! :)
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Posted 2009-March-27, 15:01

With a regular partner I prefer transfers from cue to raise (NF Const if a 2/1 below the cue). With a pickup partner, I prefer NF Const.
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