[Little Kid]

Scoring: IMP

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N E S W
P 1♣ ?

[Apollo81]

3♦. Not really an underbid since partner's a passed hand, LHO isn't, and we're red on white.

[andy_h]

3D. Seems pretty textbook to me, given the conditions stated. If 1C-(2D) is one of the most hated auctions in natural bidding, lets see how they handle 3D.

[the hog]

3C. I am not ruling out 3NT yet, even though partner is a passed hand.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Mar 20 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

3C. I am not ruling out 3NT yet, even though partner is a passed hand.

Far from ruling it out, opposite a stopper you seem to be requiring it.

[skjaeran]

3♦ for me. Not very close to a 3♣ bid.

[whereagles]

3NT. Pard will pull without major suit stops.

[Flameous]

Put a king into my other major and it's a 3C, now 3D.

[EricK]

3♦ at this vulnerability, 4♦ at others.

[Little Kid]

It seems like there is more or less a consensus to bid 3♦. At the table I bid the slightly optimistic 3♣, which I now realise is probably too agressive. The hand had an interesting development though when 3♣ got passed out after about about 30 seconds of thought from partner. The full hand was:

Scoring: IMP

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This made for a grand total of 0 tricks and -900. As soon as I had recovered from the shock of playing my 1st 2-1 fit and having my trumps drawn in two rounds, it suddenly dawned upon me that if the diamonds dont break, they probably have grand slam! At the other table our team mates got to 7♥ making, shipping us a nice 12 IMPs for going down 9 r/w!

[JLOL]

3c sucks, it is not just a little aggressive. You don't have a hand that will just have good play for 3N opp a club stopper and max of 11. It is also commonly played as natural in USA at least (in BWS it is natural for instance).

[the hog]

JLOL, on Mar 21 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

3c sucks, it is not just a little aggressive. You don't have a hand that will just have good play for 3N opp a club stopper and max of 11. It is also commonly played as natural in USA at least (in BWS it is natural for instance).

Extremely odd comment. 3C only "sucks" if your agreement is that it shows 1) a natural bid or 2) that it shows a solid C suit AND outside cards. As many play that it JUST shows a soild suit, and as the op's post was non system specific, to say it "sucks" is naive and quite silly.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Mar 23 2009, 06:28 AM, said:

JLOL, on Mar 21 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

3c sucks, it is not just a little aggressive. You don't have a hand that will just have good play for 3N opp a club stopper and max of 11. It is also commonly played as natural in USA at least (in BWS it is natural for instance).

Extremely odd comment. 3C only "sucks" if your agreement is that it shows 1) a natural bid or 2) that it shows a solid C suit AND outside cards. As many play that it JUST shows a soild suit, and as the op's post was non system specific, to say it "sucks" is naive and quite silly.

If your agreement is that it shows a solid suit with nothing outside, then I would say it's your agreement that sucks. But certainly you would be following your agreement on this hand, which could not be criticized.

I don't think he was saying it sucks because it's often played as showing clubs, that was simply a side comment. FWIW I play it as natural over a minor, stopper asking over a major.

[hanp]

Agree wiith the suckage. 3C just showing a solid diamond suit is not playable.

[Phil]

I've never heard of 3♣ being just a solid suit. Anyone that plays this most likely has misinterpreted what the call shows.

It's kind of what we used to call (insert a country you want to malign)"gambling 3N" where a 3N opening shows stoppers and pard is supposed to pass with a solid suit.

[ArtK78]

Apparently, I and the OP's partner are the only ones that play (1m) - 3m as natural and preemptive. Even if you think that (1♦) - 3♦ asks partner to bid 3NT with a diamond stop (which I do not, although there is more of an argument for playing (1♦) - 3♦ as stopper asking than (1♣) - 3♣), why shouldn't (1♣) - 3♣ be natural? It comes up far more often than the hand that meets the criteria for bidding 3NT with the suit stopped.

[JLOL]

ArtK78, on Mar 23 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Apparently, I and the OP's partner are the only ones that play (1m) - 3m as natural and preemptive.

LOL

[ArtK78]

JLOL, on Mar 23 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Mar 23 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Apparently, I and the OP's partner are the only ones that play (1m) - 3m as natural and preemptive.

LOL

Somehow, I expected this response. Very well thought out.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Mar 23 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

Somehow, I expected this response.  Very well thought out.

It was earned, because, speaking of well thought out,

ArtK78, on Mar 23 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Apparently, I and the OP's partner are the only ones that play (1m) - 3m as natural and preemptive.

which came after

JLOL, on Mar 21 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

It is also commonly played as natural in USA at least (in BWS it is natural for instance).

and

jdonn, on Mar 23 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

FWIW I play it as natural over a minor, stopper asking over a major.

neither of whom was the original poster's partner.

[hanp]

jdonn, on Mar 23 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

neither of whom was the original poster's partner.

LOL