[Vilgan]

Our teammates had a somewhat amusing bidding issue yesterday in the National Swiss.

1♦ - p - 4♥ - p
?

They play 4♥ here as exclusion w/ diamonds as trump. The person bidding exclusion has an easy bid, as depending on partners keycards he can easily bid 5♦, 6♦, or 7♦.

Their partner had a bit of a quandary over the exclusion bid though, as their hand was:

Qxxx ATxx AKxxx void

A lot of things ran through her head. She thought about 6♣, for odd number of keycards and a club void.. but she had 2 keycards. 5NT would usually show an even w/ a useful void.. but she's not sure if its useful and partner won't have the space to find out what which suit is the void. She ended up just showing 2, and partner put it in 6. Unfortunately for our team, the void is useful (her partner had KQ in clubs) and its pretty much a trick 1 claim.

The heart void in the west hand and the club void in the east hand were not the only voids in the hand. I was sitting S and had a diamond void. My partner was the most "balanced" of those at the table, with a wimpy singleton spade being his shortest suit.

Fun hand. None of us had experienced the issue of answering exclusion when we have a void of our own before ;P

[hanp]

I'm not showing it, it is extremely likely that partner has very strong clubs.

[skjaeran]

Seems to me the wrong hand bid exclusion....
3♥=void and 5♣ exclusion would work much better.
Anyway, 4♥ would be natural for me, so I'd never have the chance to face this dilemma.

[jdonn]

Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs. I would just answer two keycards and not show the void. If partner makes any move at all that shows we have all the keycards, then with my extra diamond length, ace, and void, I'm in 7 in a flash.

[Fluffy]

AKA isn't this 3 key cards?

Going slowlier is hardly wrong.

[Vilgan]

Fluffy, on Mar 24 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

AKA isn't this 3 key cards?

Going slowlier is hardly wrong.

Its not 3 keycards when partner told us to ignore the A of hearts

[Phil]

Agree with just showing the two keys. I suppose pard might have A void QJTxxx KQJxxx but this seems against the odds.

Interesting treatment of 4♥ by the way. I'm quite sure I don't like it.

[ArtK78]

jdonn, on Mar 23 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs.

Do you get to use the additional 1.9544% as carryover?

Agree with showing the 2 non-heart key cards and ignoring the void.

This treatment looks like it will lead to a monumental disaster someday (1♦ - 4♥ - All Pass).

[Fluffy]

Vilgan, on Mar 24 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Mar 24 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

AKA isn't this 3 key cards?

Going slowlier is hardly wrong.

Its not 3 keycards when partner told us to ignore the A of hearts

ooops, lol.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Mar 24 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 23 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs.

Do you get to use the additional 1.9544% as carryover?

Agree with showing the 2 non-heart key cards and ignoring the void.

This treatment looks like it will lead to a monumental disaster someday (1♦ - 4♥ - All Pass).

I have had that disaster. 1♥ p 1♠ p 5♦ all pass. I would never make that 5♦ bid no matter what it meant, but believe it or not we had specifically discussed it and partner still forgot haha.

Obviously I got my percentage because there is an extremely slight chance partner doesn't have the ace of clubs, so I couldn't go up to 110%. I don't blame you for not seeing it, math can be tricky.

[cherdanno]

I would show the void. It hardly costs space, sometimes it may be useful, and at the very least it will tell partner we have more than 3 trumps.