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MPs with 8 card fit

Poll: MPs with 8 card fit (27 member(s) have cast votes)

MPs with 8 card fit

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 3H (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  3. 3N (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  4. 4H (23 votes [85.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.19%

  5. Other (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2009-March-17, 20:11

MPs

♠QTx ♥ATx ♦JT ♣AKQTx

1N - 2♦
2♥ - 2N
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Posted 2009-March-17, 20:27

I am going to stick with the field and bid 4♥ not because I think my cardplay is much better than theirs, but simply because I think that is the contract that will bring me the most matchpoints in the long run.

I am not rejecting the invitation because there are a lot of 17 counts that are worse than this one, especially given the fit. I am not bidding 3NT because it can easily go down and even if not, it is quite likely that we have 1 more trick in hearts than nt.
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Posted 2009-March-17, 21:15

This surely is an easy 4H bid. We have 3-card support, a doubleton, an excellent 5-card suit, a sixteen count and 4 tens! Did I mention the excellent 5-card suit?

3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-18, 01:51

what han said
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Posted 2009-March-18, 11:33

hanp, on Mar 18 2009, 05:15 AM, said:

This surely is an easy 4H bid. We have 3-card support, a doubleton, an excellent 5-card suit, a sixteen count and 4 tens! Did I mention the excellent 5-card suit?

3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad.

I agree.
Partner said he wants to play in H if we have a fit. We have a fit and are even unbalanced and no stop in D.
The only time I would consider not going back to H with a 3 card is if I have 3 mall H and good stops in the other suits.
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Posted 2009-March-18, 11:55

I don't see a good reason to bid anything else than 4♥. ~snip~
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Posted 2009-March-18, 13:26

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Opening 1NT vs 1♣ is a more difficult decision imo


Was this supposed to be sarcastic? Sorry if it passed me by but opening 1♣ is ridiculous.
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Posted 2009-March-18, 14:06

hatchett, on Mar 18 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

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Opening 1NT vs 1♣ is a more difficult decision imo


Was this supposed to be sarcastic? Sorry if it passed me by but opening 1♣ is ridiculous.

Woops, thought it was ♣AKQJx which makes the hand 17HCP... :)
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Posted 2009-March-18, 14:30

Looks like one of the more obvious 4♥ bids ever. Good trumps, good 5-bagger, JT, QTx.
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Posted 2009-March-18, 14:46

I think the JT, QTx, and the pre-established club suit all argue for 3NT, but I'd still bid 4H because of the minimal combined point-count (which makes it more likely that we'll be wide open in diamonds, or won't be able to establish hearts). If partner had bid 3NT I might pass.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 07:34

4♥
I worry about ♦ when play 3NT.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 07:48

hanp, on Mar 18 2009, 03:15 AM, said:

3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad.

I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it. Let's just say I think it's likely that 4H is a better game than 3NT.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 09:12

I join the group to whom 3NT would not particularly have occured.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 10:28

It occurred to me LOL. I guess those 10's looked really good for 3N, but pard had Axx QJ9xx xx Jxx. I ran a few sims and for 3N to be right we need running hearts and a diamond stop (and sometimes that creates a spade problem), which is just too much of a parlay.

By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way.
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  Posted 2009-March-19, 10:39

I might bid 3♣, but will likely land in 4♥. Field protection hand for me.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 10:57

Phil, on Mar 19 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

pard had Axx QJ9xx xx Jxx.

By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way.

Maybe nothing makes at the table, but you certainly want to be in 4H.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 12:37

Phil, I think your partner is resulting. Both of your bids are completely normal.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 13:39

Phil, on Mar 19 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way.

3♥ didn't occur to me at all. It only would if I knew partner bid games with an invite and invited with just short of an invitational hand. :)
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Posted 2009-March-19, 13:42

Phil, I will do a simulation tonight. I will give partner an 8-count (5332) or 25(42). I suspect the double dummy odds for 4H are slightly above 50%.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 14:16

I guess I don't understand why someone would even play jacoby transfers if they are not choosing hearts with ATx and an unstopped doubleton.
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