[Old York]

Hi cardsharp

Perhaps you are assuming that I dislike FD cards. I do not.

The correct usage of FD cards is a substantial improvement on manually imputting alerts. Many players open 2♦ and alert as "multi" which is inadequate

I recently played in a tournament where opener made a reverse bid, which I clicked on, and was given an inadequate explanation. It later transpired that this regular, advanced partnership had deliberately concealed their partnership agreement that a reverse did not show extra strength or distribution. This could never have happened if they were using FD

I do, however, strongly believe that the automatic displays of FD on BBO is not 100% legal.

The only legitimate reason for using FD is to disclose to opponents the full meaning of your bids:-

Automatically display explanations:-

4/ Of bids your opponents have made
5/ Of bids made when you are kibitzing

..any other use must be highly unethical at any competitive table

Tony (so sorry if this is veering off-topic)

[paulg]

I'm not disputing your beliefs, I'm just surprised you care so much. This is so low on my list of things for Fred and the team to work on.

p

[jillybean]

cardsharp, on Mar 23 2009, 08:48 AM, said:

[*]If tournament directors wish to prohibit the use of FD cards, that is acceptable

Easier said than done The TD needs to visit each table to see if any pairs are using the CC

[TimG]

Old York, on Mar 23 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

Thx Blackshoe

So...

When you click [CONV.] > Options...

Automatically display expanations:-

1/ Of bids you might make
2/ Of bids you have made
3/ Of bids your partner has made

....are all these options unlawful under WBF rules?

see also
http://www.bridgebase.com/help/3/common/te....html?fdoptions

If so (and I strongly suspect it is so), then all these options should be removed as a matter of urgency, and (perhaps) only allowed in partnership bidding rooms or teaching tables

Tony

I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to expect that play in the main bridge club of BBO is going to adhere to WBF rules any more than expecting the same of a home game.

Even in the context of an ACBL sanctioned online club game, I think it is reasonable to expect that the rules will be somewhat different from a face-to-face game.

If you think such aids should be barred, consider that having it as an option is little different from someone having the option of printing out their convention card and referring to it during online play or of having a set of system notes handy.

Anyway, I would suggest that removing this option is not close to a matter of urgency.

[jillybean]

TimG, on Mar 23 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

If you think such aids should be barred, consider that having it as an option is little different from someone having the option of printing out their convention card and referring to it during online play or of having a set of system notes handy.

And if the pair does not have an accurate CC loaded it must be acceptable for one player to ask or explain what the bid means via chat to the table.

I would expect a high degree of misinformation as pairs are forced to load a CC and subsequently has the CC is loaded automatically.

This reminds me of the players who have their convention card open on their lap and take objection when asked to put it on the table.