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Advancing a takeout double

#21 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2009-March-12, 06:02

jdonn, on Mar 9 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

Frances I really don't understand your comments. Tim didn't say 1NT is "standard" he just said he thought it would win a vote on the forums (I think it would too.) It really seems like an obvious bid to me, but I have never agreed to methods where 1NT doesn't show a stopper, any more than you have agreed to a method where 2♣ has a range of 0-10 or even wider (or have you?) I don't know in what way someone could think 2♣ describes this hand better than 1NT, or why you think your way is "normal" but the other way is not "standard", but I won't pretend that makes 1NT standard either since I don't know what that means here.

I didn't make my point very well.
What I was trying to say was:

If I have specifically agreed that 1NT does not show a stop, then surely I've agreed how to bid on after the 1NT bid. Tim has clarified that he was asking about how to bid on after a 'stopper ambiguous' 1NT bid i.e. asking what agreements you ought to have.

If my agreement is that 1NT shows a stop - as it looks as if yours is as well - but I happen to have bid 1NT anyway on this hand because I think it's the best option, then I'm in completely different position; in particular the 2H bid doesn't mean "do you have a stop?" because I've already shown one. Instead it means something else (probably a strong 4144 or 4045 although I've not discussed it with anyone).

Having seen partner's hand, if I play 'normal' methods, surely partner would just raise 1NT to 2NT or 3NT, and gnasher's auction is possible (a bit resulting, but possible). Note that even with a combined 27-count 4S is basically on the DJ coming down which is OK but not huge - in fact after the auction 1H x P P 1NT P 3NT (pushy) you might avoid a heart lead at all, which would be amusing.

If I have the partnership agreement that 1NT may not have a stop, then certainly I should agree what continuations mean over partner's 2H bid. I would assume that anything other than 2NT should deny a stop, which means that 2S should be a 3-card suit because with 4 spades and a heart stop I bid 2NT now.
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