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Another How Many Hearts?

Poll: Another How Many Hearts? (35 member(s) have cast votes)

Another How Many Hearts?

  1. pass (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  2. 1H (17 votes [48.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.57%

  3. 2H (2 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  4. 3H (14 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  5. 4H (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  6. something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2009-March-08, 09:52

Both vul.
RHO deals and passes.

Your bid?


Tylere and I played yesterday in a local sectional. While we had a good (and enjoyable) game in both sessions, there were several problem hands that I'd like to present. This is one of them.

(If it matters, you are playing a 2/1 system with normally sound openings in 1st/2nd seats)
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Posted 2009-March-08, 09:56

1 for me. However, playing sound openings, I'm leaning towards 3; but I don't open soundly so I don't run into this problem ;).
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Posted 2009-March-08, 11:20

1 for me too. If I had shortness, I'd open 4, but I hate preempting 4 with 7222 and the hand isn't a 3 bid either.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 17:51

2♥. I'm allowed to have a max, as they say.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 21:03

3 ♥. In this seat position, and at this vulnerability, partner will expect a decent hand for this call, so I'm not worried about missing anything.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 21:06

I'll also go 3 at this seat and vul. I think most of my friends would be very surprised to hear me say that though.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 21:10

Looked like a normal 1♥ bid to me. To Josh, the answer is yes.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 21:20

1♥
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-March-08, 21:29

3♥ for me. I am red in 2nd seat and allowed to have this good of a hand and the KJ dblton is a clear defect as is 7222 so I just don't see this as 1♥ although it is close. If I get killed in 3♥x so be it, and at least the opps may have missed their 600 or 620.

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Posted 2009-March-09, 02:27

I agree with the majority that this hand is 1 or 3 HEart.

With sound openers, 3 ♥ is fine, so I would choose this in a 2/1 context.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 04:34

CSGibson, on Mar 9 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

3 ♥. In this seat position, and at this vulnerability, partner will expect a decent hand for this call, so I'm not worried about missing anything.

Same for me
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Posted 2009-March-09, 05:39

If you open 1♥, do you realize that you do not satisfy the rule-of-20 even remotely?
(♠J is worth about 0 points). This is asking for lots of game contracts going down.

2♥ is asking for missed games. Partner will expect 1 full trick less.

3♥ middle of the road. I would open this even if I had 2♥ as 10-13 available.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 06:00

I just noticed those are 7 hearts. Well, that makes 3♥ a standout.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 06:39

Gerben42, on Mar 9 2009, 06:39 AM, said:

If you open 1♥, do you realize that you do not satisfy the rule-of-20 even remotely?

Tempting just to LOL this 'reasoning', but I will try to behave... :)

It didn't (doesn't) occur to me to consider this 'Rule of 20 TM' before opening the bidding. Is that very wrong of me?

Actually, I don't hate a 3♥ opening, but my (fairly strong) preference is for a 1♥ opening.

If you open 3♥, do you realize that you can go for 1400? OK, I am pretty sure that the 3♥ bidders did notice that they are 7222 with no spots, but judged to open 3♥ anyway. Fair enough, and that is how we decide what to open - we weigh the good and bad outcomes for each option, and make a decision. We (hopefully) don't just apply a silly Rule, and display shock when other people make a decision that differs from our Rule.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 09:15

655321, on Mar 9 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

If you open 3♥, do you realize that you can go for 1400?

Been seeing too many horror movies lately?
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Posted 2009-March-09, 09:35

I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's.

Sorry Tyler.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 10:27

bid_em_up, on Mar 9 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's.

Sorry Tyler.

Well... There's a good reason why there are no votes for 4♥ :(
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Posted 2009-March-09, 10:39

bid_em_up, on Mar 9 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's.

Sorry Tyler.

Lol, erm, if you say so. Sure you don't have the blame rotated 180 degrees?
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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:37

I would open 1♥, I think none of my friends would be very surprised to hear me say that.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 12:49

TylerE, on Mar 9 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

bid_em_up, on Mar 9 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's.

Sorry Tyler.

Lol, erm, if you say so. Sure you don't have the blame rotated 180 degrees?

I might. :)

Seriously, there is no "blame" here. I just think it would be beneficial for people to see the thoughts of others as to why 1, 2, or 3 hearts are all acceptable and reasonable bids (and possibly even pass), but it should never be opened 4H.
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