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You hold:
Q 3 2
A J 4 3
K Q 4
J 5 3
It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice?
2/1 or forcing notrump? Your bid!
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Posted 2009-February-28, 14:02
I tend to lead fourth best - as opposed to the best suit, the second best suit, or the third best suit for our side
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Posted 2009-February-28, 14:23
Lawrence gave an example of a hand suitable for 1NT followed by 4♠ over opener's 2m rebid. It was something similar to this one.
With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though.
With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 14:52
With several of my partners I play 1♠ - 3NT as 4333 with 13-15 HCP... Fits the bill 
Otherwise I like 1NT followed by 4♠ which should show exactly this hand.
Otherwise I like 1NT followed by 4♠ which should show exactly this hand.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 15:03
I prefer 2♣ and i don't like 1NT forcing + 4♠ sequence
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:18
I would GF with 2♣, but it's very close. (I'm a light opener.)
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:19
I also play 1♠-3NT as a 3-card support showing bid with 13-15. But I should have all suits stopped. If I bid 2♣ I might scare them from that lead no matter what the contract so 2♣.
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:24
I suppose that depends on my available follow ups to a forcing 1NT. If I can show a game forcing hand with three spades then that is what I bid. If I can't, then I really need another bid for this hand in the system. Personally, I play 3NT as 13-15 balanced with three card support. I am not going to bid 2/1 without a real suit!
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:30
Voted 2♦. If I want to communicate with partner, I better make a bid he can put to a little use.
My experience with 2/1 is quite limited, but the 1NT/4♠ sequence appeals to me. One thing is for certain though; I do not stay out of game, no matter what happens. There is simply to many ways it could be right.
My experience with 2/1 is quite limited, but the 1NT/4♠ sequence appeals to me. One thing is for certain though; I do not stay out of game, no matter what happens. There is simply to many ways it could be right.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:45
2NT, natural and forcing
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Posted 2009-February-28, 21:57
1N. I don't mind 2♣ on a 3 card suit, but if he fits clubs, and I own to a gf with 3 spades, he will mis-evaluate. This is a crappy hand, barely worth a gf, so 1n then 4♠ (or 4♥ over 2♥). If we can make slam, he rates to do something big over 1N.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 22:02
I find that many of the problem hands offered are similar. One of those is the hand where a natural and old-fashioned 2N solves the problem.
The question then becomes, if you use 2N as natural what forcing raise hand types become a problem over 1M openings? Is it easier to use 2N natural and solve the problems of a forcing raise than adopt J2N and have issues bidding natural 2NT hands?
The question then becomes, if you use 2N as natural what forcing raise hand types become a problem over 1M openings? Is it easier to use 2N natural and solve the problems of a forcing raise than adopt J2N and have issues bidding natural 2NT hands?
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Posted 2009-February-28, 22:05
paulhar, on Feb 28 2009, 03:02 PM, said:
You hold:
Q 3 2
A J 4 3
K Q 4
J 5 3
It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice?
Q 3 2
A J 4 3
K Q 4
J 5 3
It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice?
Another poll on what does opener promise in first seat.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 22:08
mike777, on Feb 28 2009, 11:05 PM, said:
paulhar, on Feb 28 2009, 03:02 PM, said:
You hold:
Q 3 2
A J 4 3
K Q 4
J 5 3
It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice?
Q 3 2
A J 4 3
K Q 4
J 5 3
It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice?
Another poll on what does opener promise in first seat.
Is true, Mike, but I always assume I am playing with my normal partner(s) and bid accordingly.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 22:38
I'm somewhat concerned that this is a hand where 3nt could very easily be the only making game. Starting with 1NT and bidding 4♠ later bypasses what could be the best contract!
I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.
I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 22:57
awm, on Feb 28 2009, 10:38 PM, said:
I'm somewhat concerned that this is a hand where 3nt could very easily be the only making game. Starting with 1NT and bidding 4♠ later bypasses what could be the best contract!
I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.
I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.
I like Adam's approach here. I suspect there will be more than a few times 4♠ is set but 3NT makes since the hand is so flat.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 23:06
Lacking natural 2nt, artificial 3nt, or artificial 2c followed by relays, there is yet another option, assuming that you have other way to show invitational w/ long hearts:
1s-1nt;2m-3H! = balanced, 3 cd support, choice of games (3nt/4s)
1s-1nt;2m-3nt = balanced, not 3 cd support.
If partner rebids 2h you can of course just try 4h.
1s-1nt;2m-3H! = balanced, 3 cd support, choice of games (3nt/4s)
1s-1nt;2m-3nt = balanced, not 3 cd support.
If partner rebids 2h you can of course just try 4h.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 02:16
awm, on Mar 1 2009, 05:38 AM, said:
I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise
Isn't that just as much a guess as bidding 4♠? There are many hands where partner would pass 3NT and 4♠ is the right spot, for example AKxxx xx xx KQxx or KJxxx Kxx x AKxx.
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and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.
With the start 1♠-2♣;2♠, which sequences will enable you to choose 3NT with confidence?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-March-01, 05:12
Surprised by the nbr of votes for 2♣. Is 2♦ not better then 2♣.
Slam can still be possible if partner has a strong hand with ♣ shortage.
If 3NT is the best contract then 2♦ will be a better start to find it out.
Slam can still be possible if partner has a strong hand with ♣ shortage.
If 3NT is the best contract then 2♦ will be a better start to find it out.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 05:31
Other.
I play 3NT as a 4333 13-15.
I can see better use for 3NT (such as mini splinter) but when it comes up it's a nice one to have.
I play 3NT as a 4333 13-15.
I can see better use for 3NT (such as mini splinter) but when it comes up it's a nice one to have.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 05:38
helene_t, on Feb 28 2009, 08:23 PM, said:
1. Lawrence gave an example of a hand suitable for 1NT followed by 4♠ over opener's 2m rebid. It was something similar to this one.
2. With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though.
2. With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though.
1. There are other definitions of 1NT + 4♠, but Lawrence's one seems sensible because if opps bid, say,
1♠ pass 1NT 3x
pass 5x
you simply double without worrying much for not having shown support.
2. You're playing 8-12 hcp openings or something?
