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Which is standard? (CORRECTED)

Poll: 1D-(1S)-P-(P);2C-(P)-2S means ... (26 member(s) have cast votes)

1D-(1S)-P-(P);2C-(P)-2S means ...

  1. I have Spades, and lots of them (13 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. I have a sound raise to 3C and was fixed first time around (9 votes [34.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.62%

  3. Other (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

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Posted 2009-February-28, 14:45

Sorry for the typo first time around, this one corrected.
So - which is standard and, if different, which is your preference?
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Posted 2009-February-28, 16:17

You should probably have spades but not always lots of them. You're just forcing partner to continue describing his/her hand and if you happen to mention spades again then it'd be a hand with many spades. If you raise clubs or diamonds then you have support and were asking about a spade stopper. That's the way I'd take it, I haven't have or discussed this sequence.

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Posted 2009-February-28, 17:58

strong hand with spades, the fact that you were willing to play 1♠ doubled doesn't mean you cannot win slam.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 02:48

I think it suggests playing in spades, but I'm not sure how strong it is. The only time I can remember seeing this sequence, responder intended it as forcing, but opener passed.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 04:07

gnasher, on Mar 1 2009, 08:48 AM, said:

I think it suggests playing in spades, but I'm not sure how strong it is. The only time I can remember seeing this sequence, responder intended it as forcing, but opener passed.

Having had exactly the same auction once (at a junior squad training weekend, so sadly quite a few years ago) it was subsequently agreed by all present to be natural and forcing.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 04:24

Do you think that it would be easy to distil into a few rules - a tree diagram if you prefer - for the benefit of a beginner the occasions when a cue bid of the opponent's suit is
1) Natural
2) A sound raise of partner
3) A probe for NT
4) A control-showing bid
5) Something else (Michaels etc)
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Posted 2009-March-01, 04:28

I have always thought of this as being natural and non-forcing, but I don't remember it happening at the table.

FrancesHinden, on Mar 1 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

at a junior squad training weekend, so sadly quite a few years ago

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Posted 2009-March-01, 04:34

The following sequence came up in a bidding poll of Dutch bridge magazine "Bridge":

1♣-1♥-p-p
x--p--p-2♦
p--p--2♥

Everyone agreed this was natural and NF, buf this is probably different since the 2♥ bidder here is in a force (not sure I would agree with that, but that was what they said, apparently a revealed trap pass forces to 2NT or some such).
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Posted 2009-March-01, 04:47

When I had auctions like this with David_C, we agreed that it was forcing, and given that responder didn't bid something over 1S, agreed that it must show a penalty pass of 1S.

So spades but a good hand with spades, not just KJ10xxx and out.
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