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Posted 2009-February-27, 01:45
I came across this one the other day. I don't think I have seen a master solvers' club problem before where the plurality choice got less than 20% of the expert vote.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 02:10
Pass, doubles are for penalties here.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 02:34
Obvious 1NT to me. Partner showed the diamonds so I'm only worried about hearts if anything, but partner will at least realize I didn't double.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 03:09
1NT can't be right, partner will pass too often when we have 3NT. I'll bid 2NT with Josh's reasoning but instead trying to get the strength right....
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Posted 2009-February-27, 03:44
I bid 2♥ which I expect to be taken as a cue-bid, as double by me should be for penalties now.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 03:53
1NT for me.
Partner is never going to have a hand suitable for taking a 1 level penalty against Hearts as well as diamonds. And 1NT shows a strong hand so I do not expect to miss 3N if it is making.
Partner is never going to have a hand suitable for taking a 1 level penalty against Hearts as well as diamonds. And 1NT shows a strong hand so I do not expect to miss 3N if it is making.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 03:59
1eyedjack, on Feb 27 2009, 04:53 PM, said:
1NT for me.
Partner is never going to have a hand suitable for taking a 1 level penalty against Hearts as well as diamonds. And 1NT shows a strong hand so I do not expect to miss 3N if it is making.
Partner is never going to have a hand suitable for taking a 1 level penalty against Hearts as well as diamonds. And 1NT shows a strong hand so I do not expect to miss 3N if it is making.
Yes. I agree with this.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 04:07
Is 1NT still showing 18-19 after partner's penalty pass? Partner will have something and it feels that we will likely make 3NT (with 5 ♦ tricks in partners hand).
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Posted 2009-February-27, 04:20
kgr, on Feb 27 2009, 11:07 AM, said:
Is 1NT still showing 18-19 after partner's penalty pass? Partner will have something and it feels that we will likely make 3NT (with 5 ♦ tricks in partners hand).
If partner has enough diamonds and no suitable alternative he can take a risk with a penalty pass, without requiring much in values. Heck 1D doubled making could be your best result available. That said, 18-19 is probably pushing it a bit. I would have said about 15-18
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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Posted 2009-February-27, 04:28
1eyedjack, on Feb 27 2009, 12:20 PM, said:
kgr, on Feb 27 2009, 11:07 AM, said:
Is 1NT still showing 18-19 after partner's penalty pass? Partner will have something and it feels that we will likely make 3NT (with 5 ♦ tricks in partners hand).
If partner has enough diamonds and no suitable alternative he can take a risk with a penalty pass, without requiring much in values. Heck 1D doubled making could be your best result available. That said, 18-19 is probably pushing it a bit. I would have said about 15-18
..Still I think I agree with Gerben and would bid 2NT.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 06:50
1NT is NF, and tehre is no way I stay below game now, so 2♥ for me.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 06:53
Would our pass be forcing? I would guess "yes" after the attempted one-level penalty.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 07:02
If a direct 1NT would be 11-14 then 1NT here is stronger, say 15-17. Maybe 18 is ok. Anyway I voted 2♥.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 07:11
I voted for 3N, gambling that pard has AQ98x of diamonds or better and hearts splitting 4-4 and spade honors split. If I bid less than that, how will pard know what to do?
2N seems wiser now. But beyond me.
Edit: I totally missed the key to this one. OP's login now has 2n's.
2N seems wiser now. But beyond me.
Edit: I totally missed the key to this one. OP's login now has 2n's.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 07:29
I like 2NT. 1NT doesn't feel quite enough.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 07:33
3NT.
Only alternative is a penalty double.
Only alternative is a penalty double.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 08:02
I bid 1NT to avoid the 2NT trap. Pard's penalty pass of diamonds doesn't promise any values because they themselves failed to bid 1NT -> so what would you do on a hand like xx xx KJT9x xxxx or forms thereof in this auction after a balancing auction? We know the opener doesn't have a maximum, or a shape hand.
I'm staying low.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 08:08
I'm right on the line of 1NT and 2NT... 1NT should be like 15-18 here, because in Balancing I imagine 1NT is 11-14, therefore 2NT now should show 19-20ish... I expect my partner to invite on 7, so I will bid 1NT.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 09:34
BTW I do not reckon pass is forcing over the 1H, just because earlier in the auction your side elected to defend a doubled contract in another suit.
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Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
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"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2009-February-27, 09:52
It's a problem with at least 3 levels.
1. What do rebids mean in this position ?
As other posters wrote, a balancing 1NT is weak and a balancing 2NT is strong (18+) so a balancing double followed by a minimum NT rebid is in between (15 to 17 roughly)
2. Does the actual auction change the meaning ?
If pard's penalty Pass shows some values then maybe a 1NT rebid can be less that 15 to 17 and a 2NT rebid can be less than 18.
3. What's the best call with the given hand ?
Even if we have a perfect understanding with pard about 1. and 2. it's still not clear what to do. Rebidding NT with Ax in hearts is antipositional. A double is murky; penalty or takeout or 'cards' ?
I think I agree with Helene, cue bid 2♥ anyway.
1. What do rebids mean in this position ?
As other posters wrote, a balancing 1NT is weak and a balancing 2NT is strong (18+) so a balancing double followed by a minimum NT rebid is in between (15 to 17 roughly)
2. Does the actual auction change the meaning ?
If pard's penalty Pass shows some values then maybe a 1NT rebid can be less that 15 to 17 and a 2NT rebid can be less than 18.
3. What's the best call with the given hand ?
Even if we have a perfect understanding with pard about 1. and 2. it's still not clear what to do. Rebidding NT with Ax in hearts is antipositional. A double is murky; penalty or takeout or 'cards' ?
I think I agree with Helene, cue bid 2♥ anyway.
(1♦)......pass...(pass)...X
(pass)...pass...(1♥).....?