[rogerclee]

IMPs, All White, First Seat

♠ATxx ♥xx ♦KQ9x ♣A98

1♦ - (1♥) - 3♣ - (3♥)
?

1♦ was precision (2+♦), 3♣ was a fitted jump (not a game try). If it matters to you, you play 14-16 NT.

[the hog]

4H - pick a game for me. (Or 4S/4NT - whatever your agreement with pd is, but I am certainly bidding a game). First round S control, Ace of C, decent Ds and 2 H losers - seems like the obvious bid. However it depends on what your agreements on fsj are I guess.
I would expect something like Axx (x) of Ds and KQ to 5C at a minimum.

[mike777]

rogerclee, on Feb 26 2009, 07:58 PM, said:

IMPs, All White, First Seat

♠ATxx ♥xx ♦KQ9x ♣A98

1♦ - (1♥) - 3♣ - (3♥)
?

1♦ was precision (2+♦), 3♣ was a fitted jump. If it matters to you, you play 14-16 NT.

What does a 3c fitted jump show in terms of trumps, clubs and range?

If we are in slam range I would try 3s for starters.

[MFA]

I think the explanation was something like "less than invitational strength".

[the hog]

MFA, on Feb 27 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

I think the explanation was something like "less than invitational strength".

I must admit that I don't see the point of playing fsj as "less" than invitational. If this is the case you appear to be playing them only to encourage a scrifice. I have always played them as invit+ cf my post above to see a minimum hand type.

[kfay]

Game feels like a longshot. But it depends on what partner deems adequate trumps over a precision 1D. I'd say that 10 cards in the minors is in the realm of possibility.

I'd bid 3S, which can hardly be misconstrued I think. Maybe partner can even bid 3NT, which I think I'd respect. It will also help him to maybe not take a phantom sac if we should be worried about that.

Playing within a precision context is nice. I'm confident we have 4-level safety and there's no reason partner can't reevaluate his non-invite once he knows we don't have a run-of-the-mill crappy 1D opener.

Also partner isn't going to go overboard and bid a bad game because our maximums are still limited.

[the hog]

kfay, on Feb 27 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

I'd bid 3S, which can hardly be misconstrued I think.
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6D+5S?

[Apollo81]

If "fitted" means 4+♦ then I would bid 4♦.

[Fluffy]

If aprtne is below invitation we are not likelly making a 5 level game.

We have fair chances at the 4 level. the problem is: we don't have a clue if 4♥ makes or not. But I'd go with 4♦ (if 3♣ shows at least 4, like apollo said)

[hanp]

I'd bid 4D, partner is allowed to bid on with extra distribution.

[rfedrick]

4♦. sure to be right opposite 5-5 or 5-4 minors. could easily be trading +50 for -50 opposite balancedish 4-5, but that's life.

opposite "< game-try", i'm not remotely close to game with xx in hearts.

[MFA]

I would pass and hope for a plus score against 3♥. 4♦ is an aggressive alternative. I'm not expecting partner to have a perfecto for his 3♣ all the time. Surely if game is on, partner has enough to have planed to bid again.

[Echognome]

If my 1♦ opening was natural, I would go with 4♣ here, so that partner can evaluate the sacrifice.

Given I have only shown 2+♦ I find it a bit tougher. I won't bid 4♣ now as we could easily be 4-5 in the minors. I will bid 4♦ now as the others, but I think it will be tough for either of us to make a decision over 4♥.

[jdonn]

4♦ seems very normal to me. Perhaps a bit passive but that's ok.

[andy_h]

4D for me as well.