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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-February-22, 14:01

Here's two problems I recently faced with spades.

1. imps

KJ8743
T2
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K54

1-1
2-?

2. mps, None

Kxx
Qxx
AQJx
Jxx

1-x-1-p
1NT-2-2-3
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1NT showed 13-16. opps aren't necessarily good.

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Posted 2009-February-22, 14:25

I think something might be missing in the second auction.

On the first auction you have a choice between 2 and 2.

The spades are not great opposite a shortage so I think i will go quietly with 2.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 16:49

#1 2S
Playing weak jump shifts helps here
#2 Pass

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Posted 2009-February-22, 16:54

1. 2, seems perfectly obvious and normal to me.
2. 3, they are bidding a suit where I don't have wasted values, and if partner's hand was truly awful with bad spades he could pass over 2 so his minimum may be higher and he really shouldn't have five spades almost ever. However I must confess I have never played a notrump rebid range of 13-16 (that's really what you play??) so if I'm supposed to pass because I'm a minimum for the wide range rebid then that's just a reason such a method seems kind of silly.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 17:18

we were having fun playing 10-12 nt's, so yes, 1NT is 13-16
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Posted 2009-February-22, 18:06

jdonn, on Feb 23 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

... and he really shouldn't have five spades almost ever.

The frequency of partner having five spades is correlated with how often we will rebid 1NT with a singleton and raise with three and a balanced hand.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 19:59

2H and 3S
On the first, the S suit is not good enough for 2S.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 20:01

I agree with Josh here... 2 (wtp) and 3 (IMO showing support is important here, however I wish I had more than a minimum 1NT rebid)
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Posted 2009-February-22, 22:01

:P 2 on the first one, but it seems close to me - somewhat dependent on whether pard might raise with a three card holding - if so, it makes a contract a little safer bet. I am trying to avoid a 6-1 fit in .

3 on the second one. Nothing wasted in . Pard will usually have 6 or at worst a fairly solid 5 bagger.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 05:39

2 in the first one. This could be a disaster facing a spade chicane or even opposite a singelton and unluckily a shortage in spades is a big risk. But else, my hand is so much stronger in spades that I take the risk. This is obviously no wtp.

3 in the second example, time to show support even with this horrible shape.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 06:49

Yes & yes, 2 & 3.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 07:31

I find both close, I like 2 in the first because it protects the K from the lead.

On the second: Depends on the style obviously, to me 1NT is a way of support, and I expect partner to bid 3 spades himself with many 6 card holdings.

Still we have good honnor allocation, with only Q wasted, 3 spades will be a good shot as long as partner has 6 spades or 3 diamonds, I'll go for it.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 07:35

Anything but 2S is too deep on the first one.

I'll go with 3S on the second one as well.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 07:47

Neither one seems close to me.

2 and 3.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 08:06

I voted 2 , but I wonder about the 2 wtp crowd.

Pd has at least 9 cards in the reds, you have a sure 5-2 heart fit, so why is 2 Heart no serious alternative? To me it would be a 55/45 descission.
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