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View Graph Long delays-in bidding and Card play

#1 User is offline   pirate22 

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Posted 2009-February-15, 22:25

when i watch the above Expert/World class qualifying/or ply a serious match.

What happens when us mortals,holding a x--xx-xxx--xxxx take a long time as, to what card to play-There is such a thing as playing ones cards in TEMPO;

although top players,ignore this factor- i also agree,if one is winning the trick,before playing the winning card,one can consider the next move before ply the winning card

one can understand a delay in bidding,but sometimes even that factor,is open to critiscism
when i play on BBO and i delay my card play a message comes up "R U There"

comments invited,so that i can understand regards pirate
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Posted 2009-February-15, 22:44

I think you will find most of the VG matches are played behind screens. Therefore, breaks in tempo during an auction give no unauthorized information to your partner, they cant see who is breaking tempo.

I don’t know about breaks in the play.
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Posted 2009-February-15, 23:28

If you're watching VG on BBO, there's a delay while the operator punches in the cards played, too.

Normal tempo at higher levels is slower than at club games/sectionals/regionals.

On the other hand, just because a BIT happened behind screens doesn't mean there us no UI. It's frequently possible to infer which hand on the other side had the problem.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 00:09

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"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2009-February-16, 00:32

VuGraph operators also usually enter bids 2 at a time, when the board is passed under the screen. If they entered the bids as they were made, the players would be able to hear the tempo of individual bids from his typing.

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Posted 2009-February-16, 03:03

World-class players are better than most, but not perfect, in knowing when it is important to play in tempo and when they can take their time.

Through experience and the vast number of hands they play, they recognise tempo-sensitive situations. It can be instructive to watch - someone will take 10 minutes over a bid, or 5 minutes deciding whether to jump up with an ace in front of dummy's KQ, and no-one will be concerned. But take 30 seconds in the wrong situation and they call the director.

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when i play on BBO and i delay my card play a message comes up "R U There"

Seems like you play with a fairly good crowd. I just get 'faster, faster, or leave'! An unfortunately large percentage of BBO players do not like their opponents to think - part of people's need on the internet for instant gratification I suppose - and, to be fair, these are the people whose bridge appears to have little thought supporting it.

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Posted 2009-February-16, 19:12

very good replies-As an associate member of I.B.P.A. and having at the table recorded hands Bidding and card play sequentualy, in international top events, world wide,
and screens used-live there are delays in bidding,which is accepted by one and all,
but i will find out about delays by Vugraph operators,causing the delay,because of punching in cards (this can give a wrong impression to spectators)

ref Barmar's comment---the vugraph is for spectators ,not present at the table,so players would not be aware,of any delays

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Posted 2009-February-16, 22:24

I'm not sure what point you're making, Pirate.

I have been a VuGraph operator a number of times. We're sitting right next to the table where the players are playing, so they can hear us entering the bids into the computer. If we enter the bids as they're made, they can tell which player on the other side of the screen was hesitating.

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